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Hard Enough - Chapter 308 - Strong resolutions

🕑 Added 2025-03-11 19:00:06 +0000 UTC

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KarmaA

TFTC tema > team

Oddities

“Blaine nodded. "I'll want front-row seats when we have someone slap Steven Stone back into place.” Welp, he got half his wish.

Paweł Stopa

I really can't wait for Brock and Lola confrontation.

Jericho Rising

Another week isn't too far away, we'll do fine.

Jericho Rising

Out of context that is a wild statement. In context I completely agree.

Jericho Rising

It would almost be cruel not to get our Brock vs Lola at this point.

Jericho Rising

Very happy Cradily got a showing and a strong one at that.

Jericho Rising

Oh My God if that actually connects that'll be an incredible twist.

Jericho Rising

I appreciate you doing the gametheory testing for us. While it seemed strange at first your explanation of the +3 calm mind boosts guaranteeing a 2hko with dark pulse while they also hit multiple shadow sneaks and a shadow claw makes this a pretty clear win in favor of spiritoom. Which is wild considering Megas are normally championed for a reason.

9Tales

Damn didnt think of that i second your wish that would be amazing. Barring that at least let Empress tell it to Lola's pokemon Make them rate at her

Torn2.0

I just remembered that ninetails in johto who had lived for a long time. Her trainer had left and died a long time ago. When Ash and crew showed up at her manor during a store, she tried to kidnap Brock and make him her trainer. I remember she used illusions. This could be that ninetails here to join Brock's team.

Matt H

@Fred All good! I did a bunch of similar calcs back for the fight against Furret to see just how far we had deviated from the games and numbers. I'm honestly surprised to see how reasonable a 2HKO by Spiritomb would be using Dark Pulse and Shadow Sneak. In my mind it feels like Mega Metagross should be a lot sturdier (even with it's relatively low HP), but I guess I underestimated the +3 boost to SpA. @Vik Agreed. And that's why I feel that the outcome of this specific fight is strange. From a pure type perspective (which Brock and Sabrina seemed to be operating from), it makes sense that a Ghost/Dark Pokemon would defeat a Steel/Psychic. But Spiritomb ISN'T a Legendary and Metagross IS the starter of a Champion in addition to being Mega Evolved. If there's ever a situation for a meaningful type upset (beyond Ash's Pikachu being ridiculous), this was it. As for the ranking of Champions, before this battle we've only ever seen Lance and Steven fight once, so I'd argue we don't have remotely enough information to start ranking them.

Bat

It’s nice to see Brock finding his way to heal. Also…who was that lady?

Vikteren

If we have seen anything in this fic it is that pokemon battling is not a straight numbers game, yeah type and species help but unless your a legendary with enough work any pokemon can punch above its weight class. Still Cynthia winning is not surprising, of the Five Champions currently in the Fic I would rate her the strongest, Diantha the weakest, Alder and Steven about Equal. Lance is a wild card, as he put in a lot of work during the fic as Brock beating him 'woke' him up. I still think Cynthia is stronger but I think overall Lance Beats Steven and Alder at this point. Not to mention Lance is much closer to Cynthia then he was when the fic started, Steven might of been stronger then Lance at the start of the Fic but no more by my guess.

Fred Steel

That struck me as odd when I was reading it too, but I think you're downplaying how much work +3 Special Attack can do. Out of curiosity after reading your comment, I went to a damage calculator because while Viva hasn't locked himself down to any particular source, I was curious how the games would handle this trade. I gave Metagross a slight edge in level due to being Steven's Ace (75 vs 74), despite the assumption that Cynthia is the strongest trainer overall. Here's the damage trade of attacks that landed from the Mega-Metagross vs Spiritomb section of the chapter: +3 Lvl 74 0 SpA Spiritomb Dark Pulse vs. Lvl 75 252 HP / 252 SpD Metagross-Mega: 218-258 (79.2 - 93.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Lvl 75 252 Atk Tough Claws Metagross-Mega Meteor Mash vs. Lvl 74 0 HP / 0 Def Spiritomb: 151-178 (83.8 - 98.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Lvl 74 0 Atk Spiritomb Shadow Claw vs. Lvl 75 252 HP / 0 Def Metagross-Mega: 74-90 (26.9 - 32.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO The minimum rolls from Spiritomb's attacks would be enough to take out Metagross that's got a lot of bulk, while a single Meteor Mash from Metagross isn't enough to break through Spiritomb's 108 defense. Again, this probably means less than nothing in the overall context of Viva's story, but your comment made me curious and I thought I'd share what I found. EDIT: I missed that Metagross got off a meteor mash before Spiritomb got off dark pulse, meaning spiritomb survived two of them. I guess that kind of invalidates a lot of my assumptions when setting up the calculator, but I'm not bothered enough to go back in and re-run numbers.

Matt H

First, I absolutely enjoyed Cynthia beating down Steven. Second, I know we're not following the games to the point of doing calculations or anything. With that in mind, are we really going to say that a Spiritomb is able to two-shot a Mega Metagross? A Metagross that's a regional Champion's starter? Not only that, but Spiritomb used Calm Mind which would've only boosted the Dark Pulse and not the Shadow Claw, and Metagross' Meteor Mashes would've gone against Spiritomb's un-boosted Defense. Unless the goal of this chapter was to reveal Steven as a complete paper tiger, this particular matchup (Spiritomb vs Mega Metagross) felt similar to the original Samurai Furret vs Titan matchup. It fight felt like it missed the forest for the trees in that sure, Steven didn't have any super-effective attacks to use against Spiritomb because he didn't have a Fairy type, but a Mega Metagross (with Miracle Eye) can still hit REALLY hard (both Steel and Psychic hit for 1x damage) and can take a lot of damage too. This fight felt like it cheapened both the implicit "boost" that a starter has as well as the power of Mega Evolutions. Edit: Honestly, given Cynthia's reputation for tactical genius I expected to see her using moves like Phantom Force to help justify her beatdown. Edit 2: Slight changes to be less rude (Sorry Viva! It continues to be a great story!)

Mike

💯. Since Brock didn’t recognize her can we rule out canon characters? An important OC

Simca

lol that loss couldn’t have happened to a better person. Made me very happy!

Sinnohan

It is just me or did we not get any sort of description for what she looks like.

Virtue

Some emphasis was put on having never seen her before and not getting her name, so I was wondering if they were hints at something coming up. Still, could just be nothing. She left the store so she's not an employee. I guess a legendary could be possible, but IIRC Latias can't speak whilst disguised? Or just a random person maybe.

Imef

You're seeing random monsters in every shadow. It's much more likely she's a bookstore employee who can just relate.

Venudon27

You can be a good person and still sok your mother in the mouth.

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan

Empress tried for years to be a mom with only failure after failure because she kept accidentally damaging her eggs. The only child of hers that we *know* made it to adulthood was one she gave away. And when Brock gave her the heat stone and she finally had a way to hatch eggs with a greatly reduced chance of crushing them, the Legendary duel happened. Yeah, she now has the three clones. But there is no way she doesn't have some damage from years of wanting to be a mom more than anything and failing from elements outside her control. Lola is probably worse than gum under a shoe to Empress. Lola ditched her hatchling when they needed her. Worse, she expected the oldest hatchling to raise the others and then came back like she had a right to finish raising them. (Honestly, Empress probably wouldn't be impressed with Flint either, but I don't think she knows what he's done)

Clemens

Hi Viva, thank you for including Bax. It means a lot to me. Keep up the good work :)

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan

Hopefully not too good... I wanna read him punching Lola

Fred Steel

Honestly, I was thinking she was a legendary in disguise. We know Latias can take a human disguise, and that both Mew and Celebi have been at least tangentially involved in Brock's affairs.

Virtue

Given that he doesn't recognize that woman at all, I'm assuming she's Giovanni's mother in disguise?

MaliMi

If Brock vs Lola was not about to happen, I would agree. But not now.

9Tales

I would just like to say I called spiritomb destroying Steven's team last chapter but I didn't think it would body metagross like that my guy got disrespected i mean DAMN!! Ps: I hope brock gets a carbink and or dance soon

JustAFan

Oh yeah i totally like this. Empress shitting on lola for being a shitty mother

QuazarKMax

Brock: “Mother I crave violence!” Lola: “What do you me-“ WHAM!!!

ShinLupin

Main Character Cynthia, a Story about her growing up would be fun. Lola is out of the DocHouse, will in this world this means time to battle. ...Maybe Cynthia will be there to keep track of her "Friend" and maybe visit the Volcano, lil Gible and all the fluffy doggos again?

Qweku_v

Thanks for the lovely chapter

Torn2.0

Too bad. We have to wait

KidIcuras

Honestly, that was a very well done Battle in my hopefully humble opinion. Mainly because you made it Realistic. Like, at first I was expecting Cynthia to use a few mon, and then she would pull out Garchomp and utterly clean house. Maybe even reveal that she could Mega Evolve herself. (Something that would make sense considering Kalos was one of the three new regions.) Instead, you allowed Cynthia to pretty much sweep Steven's team in a Realistic manner via pointing out a major weakness Steven had in the form of no Fairy Types or even Fairy Type moves. The fact that you were even able to give a reasonable explanation for WHY Steven has no Fairy Types, with it in turn linking with why we as readers tended to look down on / see Steven in a bad light. Kudos Viva, Kudos.

Petrox

What a trashing. Steven must be hearing the piano song. The first victim and more to come.

Torn2.0

Given Stephen has a glaring weakness to Ghost/Dark pokemon, what happens once someone in Hoenn finds a Sablenite? Sableye is native to Hoenn, and the Sablenite is found in Sootopolis 👀 in ORAS. I wonder if Wallace would make an exception considering the Mega Stone needed to demolish Stephen could be sitting in his back yard.

Rhett Sellers

I would love to see a steven pov next chapter

Desidia

Finally, a Brock vs Lola fight!

TypistTyphon

Good stuff! Can’t wait for the next ones

Fred Steel

I really like Brock trying to both be proactive and a good person. It's really showing his growth.

oakes

We need to get a pokemon battle between Brock and Lola, where he just pushes her face in even with the type advantage. And both Titan and Empress needs to be on the team. Empress can shit talk the hell out of Lola for being a shit mother.

David Green

That loss couldn't have happened to a more deserving trainer

HyruleChampion

Lovely Chapter, I CAN'T wait for the next chapter


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