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Hard Enough - Chapter 307 - When Champions clash

🕑 Added 2025-03-10 19:00:05 +0000 UTC

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KarmaA

TFTC Stevne > Steven secon,d > second

Aisea Havea

Bruh, why is Steven such a god at politics

Glitched Knights

So, anyone have any guesses about where Orre is on the its timeline right now? Or how badly things are going in Ransai?

Jericho Rising

Steven is going to run into a buzz saw.

Jericho Rising

Technically lance is more familiar with flying dragons so makes sense.

Rinaldo

There are plenty of examples in sports of champion caliber players/ teams getting completely shit housed due to the right circumstances and opponents. Sometimes you just run into a buzz saw

Donald Bagwell

Cogita, Cynthias ancestor. Basically what happens in anime where the only signs she aged is having gray hair, a big floppy hat and thats about it. She had enamoras before giving it to the player

Fred Steel

I thought that was weird too, the only thing I can think of is that he meant 'grounded', i.e. a Pokemon that can't fly (This of course assumes he doesn't know that Garchomps can apparently fly).

Jean Marc Kunnen

he blew up a nature reserve for the sake of profit, giovanni is definitly an asshole

Jordan Lopez

You know it would be cool to see them have a mini tournament with ingiego and hoenn vs the United

Jordan Lopez

The political back stabbery

Jordan Lopez

To be honest Giovanni wasn't that much of an ass

Jordan Lopez

Sure lances gets more ammo with dragon types, but you're forgetting Brock is a dual/dual type trainer. As a gym leader he's limited to just rock types. But Brock is an aura user whose rock and dark type, with a lot of water type from his mother. Unlike lance Brock will capture a lot of different pokemon. Me personally I wanna see him get some more dark types like sandile, pawnard, and deino.

Jordan Lopez

Well you kinda got an answer about Alder from his pov remember dude straight up said that their kind of a lack of good quality trainers that could beat him and hold their own against the other two champions. And that he may have to pick up some traines so he can retire. I view Alders situation as basically if professor oak didn't get a chance to just quit. Alder had to see the end to the war and then help build a new government that combined 3 nations together while also each still being their own sovereign nation. Dude kinda had to stay champion

Jordan Lopez

That image is hilarious, it's like titan is say "mating is good but training is better, more time for more mates if you train good"

Cory

Probably went better for Lance that he didn't just hand off a stolen pokemon to his own clan and instead placed it into the care of someone like Brock. Shows that he's not trying to take advantage of an already bad situation. Looking forward to seeing Titan just walking into Brock's bedroom, grabbing his foot and dragging him off to meditate. Maybe include having Brock meditate with some of his other pokemon to see what he can learn from the experience.

Devon Fuller

Ahh the female edition to The Forces of Nature Trio; representing Spring Winds and rounds up the seasonal wind/storm theme they have going on.

Desidia

Lance doesn't count Flygon as ground? Just because it can fly?

Josh Wells

I agree with this, its shown that Cynthia hasn't prepared for the exhibition match at all, with how she was talking to brock, and she doesn't have experience with most of the Pokémon from indigo or Hoenn (I know in the games in gen 4 5 and 6 they were designed to bring in a lot of the previous gens Pokémon but if we take the pre national pokedex there are very few Pokémon from gen 1 2 and 3), so the expectation that she can jus come in and sweep Steven seems a bit farfetched. This is compounded by the fact that Steven has so many Pokémon that he could and should have chosen his team with that fact in mind, so you have a Pokémon at pseudo-champion level (assuming that Steven has just paid people to train them on his behalf). I get that most people just want Cynthia to just be the best but it just gets a bit stale after seeing it over and over again. One of the key themes in this story is how little battles are like how they were in the games, so why should Cynthia be the strongest champion when she only has one of the best teams on paper. Mind you I'm not bashing her it just seems like you could make Alder a beast considering how long he's been champion in one of the most violent region (from the hints you've dropped in the story correct me if I have remembered this wrong). Or Maybe have an angle with diantha being able to retain her champion role despite her having a career on the side, she has to have something special about her to be able to be successful in both. I'm more partial to having Alder as one of the strongest champions since he's very old, but that's my preference.

Jean Marc Kunnen

He’s talking about cogita from legends arceus.

Glitched Knights

I might have misspelled it, I'm talking about the Jinn Pokemon that debuted in Legends Arceus

Viva01

I have no idea who you mean with this comment. I looked on the Enamorus page to see which trainers have one and I am stumped.

Viva01

True but there is going to be a big gap that has existed in Steven's team that is about to be exposed. There's also the styles to consider along with the history. Cynthia has been able to draw from a larger pool of Elite trainers to hone herself against whereas Hoenn and Indigo have been a touch respectful while not facing each other until it's world championship time.

Jean Marc Kunnen

You’re saying there shouldn’t be such a gap in strength between champions but leon almost swept dianthas entire team with just his rillaboom. There is in fact a strenght gap between champions and Cynthia’s canonically among the stronger ones.

Glitched Knights

Okay. Thanks for the refresher

King hand axe

A small critique of thie chapter and maybe some of the writing in general. Now, im actually a huge fan of Cynthia but something that's bothering me a little is that you're kinda already setting this up to a massively dominant Cynthia, but with almost all things in life, the people who are at the top of their sports/fields are separated by the most miniscule of difference. I would think a battle between champions would come down to the wire. Like Cynthia betting Stone 6 to 4 but her last 2 on their last legs with 1 asleep and the other exhausted but standing. It seem to much like a trope to have her be so far above another champion that we all already, 100% know she's going to win handedly

Jean Marc Kunnen

Erika has used tangrowth in her fight against will and pryce has used mamoswine in the raid to catch blaine.

Michael Ox

Thank you!

Squeeky602

It's Cynthia's theme

Jonathan Dubreuil

It would do nothing, Spiritomb is immune to fighting, normal and psychic.

Michael Ox

I need to know the piano song! Is it moonlight sonata!?

Glitched Knights

Last I checked, Spiritomb is a Ghost-Dark type, so would a fighting-type move do neutral damage to it or be super effective?

Glitched Knights

Any idea where the immortal milf with the Enamorous is?

Glitched Knights

The Forbidden Pokemon is one of those Pokemon that should have people on their toes more than Absol and as well-known as the Renegade Pokemon. Instead of raising a red flag for things to come, it should be more of a bloodstained one

Glitched Knights

I just thought that there would've been a bigger response to seeing Spiritomb from those in the know. Like Lance, Agatha, maybe even Oak and Koga? Instead, it's like people saw Kleavor again. Also, I don't know if anyone has seen Erica use Tangela or Pryce with Mamoswine. Or am a forgetting when that happened?

Torn2.0

Steven is arrogant and rude. Will and Giovanni are evil. Steven is an ass. Will and Giovanni are villains.

Oblivious Bookwyrm

… I don’t follow. There’s no indication here that Spiritomb was created during the War, anymore than Claydol, Golurk, or any other artificial pokemon (it’s implied lore wise that it was created long ago). Or that the Sinnoh League is even aware of its lore. Or that they could do anything about it. I’m not sure what you’re arguing for or against here. Besides, the usual response to a trainer having a dangerous pokemon is letting them handle it unless the trainer can’t control it. What are they gonna do? Confiscate it from Cynthia, the Sinnoh Champion?

Paweł Stopa

We did see her Lapras being worried in one of her POVs a while back.

Glitched Knights

I'm saying that some of the people there should have an idea what a Spirtomb is from the War, and want it complete GONE FROM EXISTANCE

Donald Bagwell

Are you saying politicians have common sense

Donald Bagwell

Brock getting Carbink and fossils when he fleeces Diantha

Donald Bagwell

Fair

Glitched Knights

Alola hasn't been found yet. And Necrozoma is basically Cthulu in this Universe. More specifically a Cthulu with a Vendetta against sentient life for damaging it in a permanent fashion due to it no longer being it's original typing

Glitched Knights

...how? Can you run that by me?

Glitched Knights

Compared to Will and Giovanni? Steven is not even REMOTELY an ass

Glitched Knights

How about NO! That Pokemon is one about duty. And will KILL ANYBODY that gets in its way. And it prefers to follow Ho-oh around

Glitched Knights

I thought with how gung-how the League was in quieting anything that occurred from the War (if not ALL of the bloody periods of time) that people would be VERY adamant about doing something regarding the Spiritomb. You know? Mr. 108 CONFIRMED DEAD PEOPLE WITH THEIR SOULS CONFINED TO A RITUAL STONE!!!

SailorOfHouseThunderBird

Agatha's Aegislash

Alex Horsey

Does anybody know who stalking Sanchez is? It the Zapdos or I don’t know? I don’t know what Pokémon is talking to Sanchez. I’m pretty sure it’s Zapdos but I’m not. I don’t know if we got the gender of that Zapdos.

David Zimmerle

"Unova and Kalos both have some very interesting dragon-type pokemon..." Rock got shafted in unova with only 3 new Rock types, two of those being fossils. Pretty much the same in Kalos, 2 fossils, Binacle a water/rock type, Hissuian Avalugg(Maybe counts?), Carbink and Diancie.

Dylan Sutton

I died laughing when sweet mama grav called don a bastard. So good.

ShinLupin

Element-wise spiritomb has the clear advantage, but stat-wise not so much. But both mons are Champion-level, common-sense does not apply to them.

9Tales

So I didn't think of this but does Steven even have an answer to spiritomb because I'm pretty sure that it hard counters metagross

Donald Bagwell

Hope she found a marshadow

Donald Bagwell

@ShinLupin dude have him take oak with him where he has an emotional reunion with sampson for the first time in decades seeing his cousin from a different region I want them to have a wholesome moment before getting mad at each other and being family again. Reason? They can show off their successors with Samson and Kakui (he studied under Oak in cannon as did Sicamore, makes more sense if its under samson here) For that, maybe have Sycamore do an experiment as a kid, get teleported to Alola and confused for a faller for a half a second before studying in Alola for a few years. Give Diantha a new headache where one of her two besties is found with ANOTHER region. Make her want to do a hug throttle

Donald Bagwell

Mostly going with they are in charge of their half of the regions and Lance being petty for all these people giving him so many disasters to work with and lance paying clair back for a childhood slight Dragons never forget and get even before forgiving

KidIcuras

Not gonna lie, my first thought on your choices was, "that would be a terrifying Elite Four line up in universe." Mainly because you've got the Protage and his Strong Psychic Girlfriend, the "probably" second strongest Dragon Type user in Indigo, and a Former Champion.

ShinLupin

...and how Lola's pokemon feel about her. And her mental health.

ShinLupin

Sabrina could get the track from Brock's memories and either play the Piano herself or give the music to a musican. How about giving Lance a vacation in Alola? Sun, nice people and even Legendaries that like a good fight and won't cause wide-spread collateral damage

ShinLupin

hm... has Steven maybe some REAL trouble to deal with? Something he can't just step over? I mean his MO at this point is well known in Hoeen, so plans to handle him could've been made... Cynthia is cool as a cucumber, no matter the jump-scares Hallo Agatha, long time no see. What have you been doing and how shocking will it be?

Qweku_v

What a lovely chapter. Loved the Nanny Grav POV. Steven is still being an ass even when he is a guest.

Simca

“shockwave that sent Lucairon flying.” -Lucario I think you meant to put

HyruleChampion

Lovely chapter, I am excited for more family dynamics. Also I am curious to see how each pokemon treats Lola

David Green

Christ Steven is an ass

Fred Steel

I won't lie and say I wasn't hoping for more of the fight, but Nanny Grav's POV was so good I can't complain. Thanks for the chapter!

Antony Wilson

Love the chapter, I really liked the balanced between the fight and nanny gravs pov

Donald Bagwell

MAKE STEVEN FEAR THE PIANO! Also give lance a vacation where he dumps champ duties for two weeks on the four best gym leaders (Brock, Sabrina, Clair and Pryce)


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