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Hard Enough - Chapter 271 - Moving and Shaking

🕑 Added 2024-11-04 19:00:08 +0000 UTC

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KarmaA

TFTC [hr][/hr] > not sure why Patreon didn’t read this right. “We would her reins not that criminal!” > would hold

LandoCali96

All for the clan, of course. (I'm the clan)

CentaureHeart

How is that of no consequences? Have you ever read books before?

Focus Armstrong

I'm hoping we get to interact with more characters from Johto, and the Battle Frontier. Maybe when this season is over there is an annual meeting between all Indigo gym leaders. Also, what happened to the exhibition match with Norman?

ShinLupin

he should just ask Agatha to "Take a walk in Blackthorn." a very enthusiastic walk.

ShinLupin

Sounds like a Team-up for Agatha and Pryce in the making. Double Tsundere Senior citizen combat-action.

ShinLupin

I doubt the surge stay so intense. Sure the ambitious Trainers are likely to try for one more Region, be it Johto or Hoenn. But the total numbers should fall notably. The Quality on the other hand might be 1-2 tiers higher than usual. I dare to hope that skilled foreign Trainer will be a burden on Team Aqua/Magma operations, if not worse.

Chris

It raises a question of what happens after the Surge of trainers. Will it scatter after the indigo league or will it stay together and follow ash and crew into Johto, and then later into Hoen? And does that give Team Aqua and Magma and extra 2 years to run wild without strong trainers to travel between the towns and help fish back if needed?

ShinLupin

strange how not one of the Elders aknowledged that they are investigated for Murder, Arson, Pokemon-Stealing and Fraud. Or how not one denied the accusation or was shocked by the implication. Zinna? As in ORAS Zinna? That sounds like a headache coming. Maybe even the Gen 3 Event/Storyline coming hard. Will we be Hard Enough to match it?

Chris

Oh that’s not going to backfire at all. I’m super excited, with “Kanto” wrapping up, it feels like we’re pivoting to the Orange Islands and some Johto shenanigans. Team Aqua to cause chaos amongst the islands, Team Rocket, Blackthorn Dragon clans and maybe some battle frontier politics. And then on the horizon gen 3 and 4. With Orre and shadow Pokémon as well. I’m very curious if this either turns into “there’s always a bigger fish” with other evil organizations and conspiracies or if this turns into a Rogues Gallery of evil secret society’s and organizations that make their play for power at different times. I’m so torn because I almost want to just jump ahead to the end of the season so we can get Battle Frontier and get Ash and gang into movies 2/3/4/5. Can’t wait!

nugitoBambino

I think it comes across that way in context yeah. Talking about the head Dragon Master not being there supports the idea of this being a subset and not an encompassing position, although whether we're talking 10% of the elders or 40% is less clear. And yeah, the war sounds horrific enough that these kinds of war crimes I could easily see being celebrated back then. The Indigo region in general, and that war specifically, is essentially an allusion to the warring clan era from Japan, from what I can tell, and good lord did the warring clan groups go hard. There's a reason WWII Japan was such a hotbed for war crimes and a lot of that stems from that era of their history and reaching a comparatively early, stable social equilibrium in their shogunate system compared to medieval Europeans (who also had cultures of common war-crime, but never reached a multi-century stable equilibrium, leading to the various revolutions and post-medieval thought heavily influenced by the Renaissance).

Donald Bagwell

Minor Zinia side story where lance has to learn to dad as mewtwo realizes he is not equiped for this and sabrina realizes she is better as the girls therapist than mentor

nugitoBambino

oh man i hope so! I love their bromance and it would be pretty funny if Brock found something that let him do that. Honestly that's the only thing left of this fic I really want to see - Brock getting loot from exploring! Like Agatha managed to get an Aegislash from looking around hidden rooms, Brock getting cool pokemon aura tomes would be awesome, and sharing them with Lance would be really fun

nugitoBambino

nah, Zinia is going to become lance's girlfriend I think. Not like, immediately, but we had that whole Lance perspective chapter and he was finding no one that was a powerful enough trainer that meshed with him and his dragons. Zinia is kinda a perfect fit from that perspective. Or at least, even if he's not dating her immediately, I hope he immediately becomes smitten. I think it would be a cute sub-plot

nugitoBambino

love the idea of them being caught pretty early. Also cause Zinnia is a favorite character from Borne of Caution and would love to see her in the background cast minus mind-control bullshit. Wouldn't mind if the Elders retribution was a long-time coming though. Like Zinnia is released by MewTwo/Sabrina. Then goes on a medium-length revenge arc that we get pieces of, but not the whole thing.

nugitoBambino

Mewtwo or Sabrina. I mean they picked a time to mind-plant a girl with the two strongest psychics, a pokemon and a human, in the last 100 years at least. What a hilariously shitty plan.

nugitoBambino

yeah please do I guess? I thought this chapter was kicking tbh. I mean, I guess if you were looking for a plot-heavy story I could see being disappointed, but I feel like with this and other works by the author an exploration of the world-building and side-characters is an expectation, and one I greatly enjoy reading about, personally.

thevolunteer

Good idea. I’ll unsubscribe now!

Donald Bagwell

This turned more rant than anything after 2

Donald Bagwell

Who said Kanto? They have all their influence in johto, as in! Johto, the region where about 1/2 the challengers left to challenge brock for his badge. As in where people STARTED in a different region. Experienced trainers either go the Ace route, open a facility, become security, now they join the G men, or leave. I think they even said the Johto conference is gonna be small this year. 1) The Surge has access to only three regions but is also several times stronger than the last surge they went through with Brock legitimately saying hundreds of trainers 2) Johto and Johto gyms have been a lot more influenced by blackthorne, do i think they can do ANYTHING to pryce? No. Do i think they think they still can? Oh yeah they dumb. So thats probably the path they try 3) Zinia may be good enough to go through Hoen, but real talk? She is crazy and the league must be paranoid after will… and blaine… Gray… that girl from goldenrod… surge… do i half to say the italian mob boss or is it implied? I can see zinia challenge and agatha using it as her good bye match, Oak coming back for a single day just to crush her. Heck we dont even know if she has aura! Reason i brought up mewtwo is empathy here. No way he lets thus stand, i fully believe that he does something about this even if he does the cat thing of bringing sabrina a fully mind wiped zinia, explaining everything and expecting Sabrina to care for her new baby sister 4) The Guardians and the Johto equivalent probs gonna know about this from blaines notes alone. I can see him in big bold letters have dirt and blackmail on everyone he deems important. Its something I thought of with giovani. Especially people he used to be AT WAR WITH LESS THAN HALF HIS LIFETIME AGO! The two groups also see a girl supported by the blackthorne without the head elder, also see a girl with a slightly manic and erratic personality, also see a girl who is clearly here to support a cause against a champ they all approve of who is getting rid of corruption against things that made legendary pokemon. If nothing else than to use him as a meat shield. The blackthornes are a big family but i think both groups are better off letting this happen, have lance/ clair/ maybe bruce come out smelling like sweet scent and getting 4/5 elders arrested 5) brock future knowledge most likely includes the girl who gets a mega rayquaza, even if thats the only thing he remembered from hoen i cant see him not doing something with that 6) the GMen and Lorelie… who both deal with anti corruption cases… ONE OF WHICH WAS MADE BY LANCE! THAT HE DID WITH PROBABLY THEIR SUPPORT! 7) yeah lance will probably swallow pride… and go to literally anyone else for help soon enough 8) koga and agatha alone… maybe with secretary karen 9) Pryce… just for spite. He may be the second champion Lance beat, but he is probably back to his full power at this point and might be looking for a rematch himself. I would not be surprised if the man didnt want his seat back and no second dragon type will beat him. If he read the papers on fairy type/ idea for vulpix he might show off his new lead soon enough

The Oblivious Elf

Definitely an inflated sense of worth, I guess the idea is that they did it once so of course they can do it again, completely ignoring the fact that Lance’s pure heart and prodigious nature is what got him the position

Streetwise

I think it's about time for Agatha to go all 'turbo-murder' on some dragon grampas. disturbing the peace 'n shit.

Lyael

Really tired of people complaining about worldbuilding chapters and pretending that they are of no consequence

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan

Honestly it's the vetting thing for me. Like, did the elders *not* notice how the Gym Leaders seem to actively vet people for the position of Elite 4 and how the Elite 4 and prior Champions 100% vet people for the position of Champion? I mean, Oak and Agatha blatantly checked out and approved Lance. I suspect that Bruno and that other Elite 4 member (who quit after because of how bad Lance beat them) approved Lance too, with only Pierce and Loreli not approving Lance (Loreli might actually have been supportive or neutral to Lance, it's unclear). And we saw how the Kanto and Jhoto Gym Leaders acted as vetting for Will and Karen in their pursuit of the Elite 4 (Koga was basically already approved cuz he was a Gym Leader). Is this vetting system perfect? Heck no! Will proved that. (But it's also kinda a young government, it's got some kinks to workout still...) So yeah, I'm just wondering how these Elders think they can sneak Z into the position of Champion before Lance outs them with his investigation? Is she going to come out of left field and race for the Ace Champion title? When we're halfway through the season?? Is she going to try and win the Indigo Tournament when we have no evidence she's even trying for Badges this year?? Because it's a BUSY season and getting booked for a Gym battle in Indigo is a problem right now... (Brock is calming down now but his schedule is still booked pretty solid... and we know the other Gyms are feeling the rush right about now; Erica made a comment not too long ago) You know what I *really* want to have happen? I want Z to get caught SUPER early. I'm talking, week 2 of trying to do whatever the elders tell her, Z gets caught by the League (who are *not* as incompetent as these Dragon Elders think!). And Z gets all her secrets read because maybe Blaine is good, but he had to run and left his lab notes behind. So yeah, they know how to break that mind control. (This gives the busts the League did on Team Rocket even more purpose!) I just *really* want the Elders to get caught immediately. I think it would be hilarious for them to try to blackmail or corner Lance but it just completely backfires and exposes them 20x more than anything Lance could do on his own.

Sean

Maybe stop paying or don’t complain?

thevolunteer

Really tired of chapters where the meat of it is of no consequence, from the perspective of characters I really don't care about.

Viva01

It was supposed to feel liek a subsect or in this case loud minority who have been cornered as some of their horrible actions have been unearthed. In a bygone era people would have celebrated them for their efforts. In the modern age what they've done is horrific. remember, Jotaro just admitted to basically training an extremely young child, programing her for the clan and then even adding a switch in her to gurantee it.

Squeeky602

Mewtwo is gonna notice. Not good for the Elders.

The Oblivious Elf

Lance is going to have to bash a lot of heads

SirKarpsalot

ZA Warudo

Jericho Rising

Unexpected progression path, love that something fierce.

Donald Bagwell

My question? How skilled is zinia infiltration to get through all of kanto? 1) lance is now probably paranoid about his family 2) psychic high level members who will probably adopt her 3) i can see brock doing something to investigate and say he felt off 4) i can see oak do the same as brock for different reasons 5) agatha and koga vetting candidates 6) everyone vetting her

Donald Bagwell

Question of WHO adopts zinia, sabrina or mewtwo?

Donald Bagwell

Might be gramps?

Qweku_v

And the plot thickens

RudeCzar

I thought Jotaro Blackthorne was Kaede father and had died, unless it’s a different one

Matt H

It's amusing how Jotaro, arguably, couldn't have picked a worse time in recent memory to try to stir things up. In no particular order: Agatha is about to be let off her official leash giving her plenty of time to go "exploring", between Karen and Koga Lance will have more people than ever close to him looking out for anything suspicious, Brock likely has some knowledge of Zinnia as a character given roughly how far his meta-knowledge seems to extend (Mega Evolutions), Sabrina is growing ever more skilled and powerful, and I'm sure Oak is still ready to throw down if his nation-building ever gets truly disrupted. Oh, I almost forgot, we also have easily one of the most powerful psychic Legendaries to ever exist roaming around the area studying and learning about people. Said Legendary ALSO has first-hand experience with attempted brainwashing and mind control and would likely take a dim view of anyone who attempts to do so or utilize those that have been.

Matt H

I think the current Blackthon Master is the most likely option. Beyond that: it's unclear whether that was every Elder or just a subset of them, even for the Elders who were present it looked like some were less interested in the discussions, and Lance and Clair could've been trained by a "normal" adult instead of an Elder.

Focus Armstrong

Likely he'll find some forgotten tomes about aura and train together with Brock, both of them learning new tricks from each other.

olyver

What are the odds that Brock ends up teaching Lance how to aura?

Focus Armstrong

I think you're right, not all of Blackthorn is bad. It seems like a significant portion of the elders are power hungry and are willing to hinder Lance to retain control over him. Then the rest who aren't scummy are just going along with the plan due to the first group being more vocal/numerous. There have been some good elders from Blackthorn, like the one elder who lost to Oak and graciously retired to rebuild the rangers and the one elder who vibe checked Lance during the beginning.

Docnox

Its sad for the whole clan elders to be cartoon Villains. It just doesn’t sit right. Someone raised lance and clair to be more upright

Thomas Keller

Oh shit, Blackthorn Clan's actually in it *deep*

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan

*winces* Yikes. Poor Zinnia. Also, those dragon clan elders must be into some real shady stuff for this investigation to have them in such a titter. Lance is probably going to learn a lot about his clan that he will wish he never learned...


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