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Hard Enough - Chapter 266 - Old versus new

🕑 Added 2024-10-15 19:00:03 +0000 UTC

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SecondBlahm

I got into this chapter knowing Agatha would win. I didn't get spoiled or anything but for me, Agatha is THE old monster. She's seen and knows more than anyone in Kanto-Johto in addition to having strong and tricky pokemon. Cynthia is the next power once Agatha retire (not just fake retire).

KarmaA

Losing to an old monster that is still in shape doesn’t feel bad at all. TFTC Brock had utilities on more > utilized She in turn was trying to burn Jorm with a fire-type move that would burn Jorm. > delete words from “that” on was like a flitting wrath darting > wraith Then with a large exhale draconic blue fire was exhaled at Mismagius > swap “was exhaled” with flowed, streamed, etc. As smoke fro mthe previous > from the Both attacks rocketed forward and s impacted right at the centre of the field > s??? another super-effective attack. into Selene. > delete “into Selene.” the hard-working Elite Four trainer that was basically a walking to being amped up for a fight. > ??to?? me diddling on > rambling, nattering (diddling feels out of place because of slang)

Michael Forbrigger

I don't mind Agatha winning even though she was sandbagging in this case. Like the authors note said this really is where Agatha shines. Beyond the no swapping rules making this fight at minimum a tie with perish song and destiny bond Brock also couldn't use some of his best moves, sure Agatha couldn't use Hyper Beam but Brock couldn't use most of his stronger attacks with Earthquake, fissure, Hyper Beam, and probably Giga Impact being restricted. Another thing is Brock really didn't prep for this fight, he had stuff going on, meanwhile agatha had over a week to prepare, that isn't nothing.

Tim

I know this is an older chapter as of me posting this, but let me try to point out the fights i remember brock losing or I think were lost battles until it got re-edited. Will, first of all the frustrating play the cheating and technicalities abused, I think is what got to people, on top of him losing to that (or tying in the end). Kaede in the tournament, It is only from reading comments but from what I took from them the original story was he loses and she whites out and then due to medical issues brock moved forward. I'm going to be blunt but if that was it, that is a terrible direction. First of all the realism, what would more realistically happen is that Drake or whatever the dragon dude's name was would have gotten a free win rather than brock's loss being negated. That just makes more sense. it being re-edited that brock wins but not easily and realizes he has to step up his game (which was the point of him losing in the original timeline) made MUCH more sense, and was better story telling. (sadly those don't always coincide). I do think there was an ace battle he lost in johto or something, which honestly I don't remember being bothered by. The real issue is when he loses to people that it doesn't make sense for him to lose to. Such as this fight, Agatha winning wouldn't have been bad, however this being Agatha sandbagging (because let's face it she was) to bring out a tie was probably better. Especially since it makes sense that she would have enough respect for Brock to not try to humiliate him. In fact I think the worst outcome would have been Brock winning in this fight.

Rhett Sellers

This was fine.

carebear90

Interesting... I wonder if Agatha knows that Future Sight can bypass Destiny Bond too.

fine

I think it's more losing to the right opponents

world-concepts-are-breaking god-is-dying

As we saw with Karen's fight there is a precise timer for destiny bond even if some trainer could change it somewhat by altering a few seconds of the duration that would still be recorded thus any opponent would be aware of it in the future. So yrah if you have a 6 destiny bond team they would need to each learn both destiny bond and a move that could trap the opponent, very few pokemons can do that except Banette, Dusknoir and Gengar. So it would require such specialization that everybody would know about it and prepare sets to deny that (like making the pokemon learn baton pass that can bypass trapping effects or learning exchanging moves like Teleport and flip turn that can be chained in response to a trapping move). Also this is something only a ghost specialist could pull of as training ghost is seen as one of the hardest type to train after dragon in this world. Not only that but only a strong ghost specialist could command a team of elite level third evoultion ghosts (ok second evo for bannette). As op as destiny bond is you will get nowhere if you have a team of 6 weak ghosts that only do that. Always ending in a Draw will see you as a weak trainer and just after a couple matches people will think how to counter you. You are true about how slotting explosion and destiny bond can make for easy tie breaker if you have 1 or 2 pokemons that know them, but I mean didn't you see brock use explosion and Karen Perish song? Even those trump cards can predicted and foiled if you show them at least once during a match.

Basilmat

Honestly not only the thought behind it, but also the fight itself advance the story and character much more than just another victory!

Chris

I already typed a bunch of words about why I liked Brock loosing last time. I’m fine being the silent minority who likes when Brock looses. Can’t wait until he looses again.

iceknight90

Really enjoyed the fact that Brock lost this one. It's great to see that there are still more mountains to climb, and that despite his vast metaknowledge and his raw power and determination, sometimes craftiness and experience still win out.

JustAFan

Great chapter and solid way of doing the defeat without making the consequences too severe. Please don't change anything about it. Very Agatha :)

Phyr

And I respond with...... another destiny bond, at worst we tie.

Bat

Great chapter!

Louie Roquero

Good chapter. Dont change anything.

conkerer

I still haven't seen a Pokemon use an actual Pokemon move after DB, only moving around normally, so the answer is weather setups, hazards, poison/burn, or even the Future Sight Brock himself used.

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan

I would argue that Brock *isn't* the most experienced Fairy type trainer in the League right now. Rather, he's the most experienced that *we* (the readers) know of. I mean, the Professors and the League are investigating Fairy Typing and have been for months. That implies one or more people dedicated to testing, learning, and experimenting with Fairy TM. Thus, those people would be the most experienced in the League. And they might even be Ace level trainers (actually, that would make the most sense as they would have good instincts and well developed training skills)

Singa_pore

Agatha is one of my favourite Hard Enough characters, because she’s flawed and not perfect. She’s arrogant but she cares, she has regrets and unrequited love but is too prideful to let that hold her back… I guess I’m a sucker for an antiheroine Crone character haha. Gib More Agatha chapters! At least an omake from her perspective!!!!

Astralogical

This was a good chapter and Brock losing here felt fitting.

Squeeky602

Should have all the Kanto gyms challenge Agatha to exhibition matches, in order. She is retiring, give her a victory lap.

Phyr

Good regulated battle, I think this just reinforces to me that league sanctioned battles just get boring no matter how well written they are, especially 6v6 solo battles. There's only so many ways you can have a bunch of 1v1s go. The way you have destiny bond here, that it lasts more than a short time, (ie 1 turn) what reason is there anything other than 6 destiny bond > healing wish/ explosion/self destruct/ any other i-faint-now move sets?

HonorBound Fate

I wanna see Agatha and oak at the pewter gym for the discussion and continuation of the lesson. Also does oak know about the voltorb yet?

Wolf Eiyn

I agree with you about Destiny Bond being kind of an overpowered move as shown, it may have some sort of drawback we can't see but then it's a writing problem in not showing that sort of thing. On the other hand I can't in any way justify it even being possible to have 50% of all Pokémon used in battle being ghost type. We've seen a handful of ghost type trainers in the entire series (canon and not) let alone ones trained up to use Destiny Bond.

conkerer

I think the problem with this analysis is that destiny bond only lasts until the next move. Even if this was just a 2v2, the counterplay to destiny bond is to simply ignore that Pokemon and suddenly it's a 2v1. In a war situation, you could even just ignore the destiny bond and kill the trainer. So basically the only way to be effective with DB on the battlefield is to be individually evasive/resilient as a trainer and be an assassin/spec ops, which basically requires you to be champion tier anyway, or be dedicated sacrificial "tanks" which is probably why lavender town is such a strong fortress. The only reason it's such a dominant strategy here is that its an exhibition 1v1.

Jordan Lopez

Honestly I love how you write Agatha, she is a caring old mean girl. Who just wants to raise up a good generation of people to take care of the place so many ppl she knew and lost fought and died for. In my mind she is what danzo should've been like. Not a monster hiding in the dark but a parent willing to punish those who harm her charge. Oak is the happy but dangerous archinine, while she is the mean but caring tyranitar aka empress

Donald Bagwell

Didn't even think of the parallels! Honestly I can see those two decide to train the pair a bit

Jordan Lopez

Agreed, to me I see and like that Agatha and oak see themselves in Brock and Sabrina. Both titans of their era looking to pass on their will and responsibilities to the next generation

LordJJJ

Yes, this is a well written and well placed, believable loss. The Kaede situation was not set up or earned by a samurai furret but this fight with Agatha and Gengy was very well reasoned and added depth to the story and characters. Good job! Sorry we traumatized you with the backlash on the previous situation but I am glad you didn't go in the complete 180 direction and make Brock an undeserved Gary Stu Maybe once he starts getting Diancie and Megastones for his Tyranitar then he will have lessons and Aura and grounding to justify his strength as we got to see him tempered by his expeiences and the growth of his bonds and humanity with family and friends

Donald Bagwell

I think why we like this loss more is Brock has kinda been going meat head. While Kaede and her team was similar she kinda had way less build up than Agatha. It also feels like Agatha has kinda been holding back on people not targeted by the guardians for a while and wanted to slap around someone she kinda sees as a young oak for a hot second

Monzter E

Ditto

Ixta

I totally agree with all of this. I also don't mind having Brock lose, as long as it makes sense and is satisfying. This battle really can't compare to the Kaede fight. It's very logical and believable for Agatha to win in this scenario, considering her experience level, the restrictions of the match, and the moves her Pokémon have access to. In fact, I'm pretty happy that Brock did lose this one. It shows that he's not infallible and still has room to grow and learn from more experienced people, but it doesn't make him look bad either, because the format naturally restricted him. I can just imagine the arguments on Battlenet happening over if Brock could have won if he managed to get Jorm to mega evolve, etc. I also really enjoyed how these chapters fit in a lot of world and character building inside of a fun battle scene. Fantastically done, imo.

King hand axe

I think it's short sighted to suggest that destiny bond is always 100% effective, no matter the respective strength of pokemon in the battle, that is very, very short sighted, you bring up the war all the time but if it worked the way you have stated then ghost types would have made up over 50% of all groups in the wars pokemon as you could send a noob with 6 Haunter against a champion and have them remove all their champions pokemon from battle. It's a move that cheapens real pokemon battles and makes no sense in a world that went to war. So Destiny Bond should only work if a targeted pokemon isn't strong enough to resist through power or type usage or another real situation could be once used, it creates an environment where it couldn't happen again. Because in a war where people killed each other and their pokemon, ghost types would have been hunted to extinction by rival countries trying to remove their most powerful pokemon... so lavender town would have be razed and all the ghost types killed during the war ... 100000%. Brock losing is fine, Brock being taught a lesson by a far more experienced trainer is also fine, have a champion tier pokemon use two moves and go down against a newly caught pokemon ( even a year or two) is pathetic and reeks of plot manipulation. He widly swings from a competent trainer to far below a level he's already been shown to operate at. Pick one and move from there...

Jericho Rising

He did seem pretty pumped for it.

Wolf Eiyn

To be fair there's a good chance Gengy could have swept the last 3 if he didn't decide to stop.

nugitoBambino

That is well put and I fully agree. Brock can lose and I wouldn't be upset about it, just like I'm not here, it's just about a 'to who' and 'how was it set up narratively'. It adds more depth if Brock off his game or with a bad strategy loses to an acknowledged great trainer. That makes his future wins more satisfying because it shows how he improved and overcame his weaknesses.

daniel wingborg

Chin dug his blades in what remained Chin->Shin As smoke fro mthe previous fro mthe->from the I gently encapsulated Elene Elene->selene Sleene took the hit like a champ Sleene->selene

ShyGuy42

First comment, but what an excellent match! I would have called bogus if Brock had won, Agatha fulfills that wild card amongst Indigo. She has enough experience to win against Brock , and I loved it. Also loved Selene's showing! It was great! Which brings me to my next question. When is a young Valerie going to be a gym trainer under Brock because he's the most experienced Fairy type trainer in the League currently?

Jericho Rising

In some ways I would have even seen Brock vs surge to be a loss on brocks part. The character was built up damned well as a mentor friend and rival. That's the kind of build up kaede needed

Tank45

Brock losing this battle made sense but I’d rather see him lose while not looking like an idiot when he only calls two moves out for his strongest mon. I wanted him to lose to Bruce actually because I felt like that was the best place for him to lose to progress narratives and storylines. While this does that but not to the degree the other would. Brock losing felt like the writing was working towards one outcome and it felt forced. Was the result right? Yes. Was the path to that loss right? In my opinion, no. The moment Titan went the entire battle only using Dark Pulse and Stealth Rocks instead of moves like Crunch, Sucker Punch, Taunt, and Stone Edge it was very clear that he was being dumbed down so he could “learn” a lesson that he had already learned. Does Shin’s loss make sense? Yes. Should he have been in that position? No. That should’ve been for someone like Titan or Mega Steelix. The pokemon are characters and their representation in battles is very important and the almost always seem to underperform.

Jericho Rising

The narrative and sheer jokes that can be built upon this are astronomical. As far as brocks returner status is concerned it really hasn't come up much at all outside of explaining away some meta knowledge. Really would like to see more.

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan

Titan losing does *kinda* make sense. Yes, the moves used were... arguably lame. But consider: Brock was off his game mentally (because of comments Agatha made before the fight) and was focusing WAY too much energy towards trying to understand Aegislash and not enough on the actual fight. He gave directions, but... *shrug* I think part of why Titan made the choice (on what to do) at the end of his fight was because Titan felt like Brock wasn't doing his best and Titan was Done with it. Who wants to play a 2 player game when the other player is distracted the whole time? Not Titan that's for sure! So yeah, I equate Titan losing more to Brock not giving proper attention to the battle at the begining (he gave it attention, but not the right kind I think) And I will argue that Shin's loss makes complete/total sense. Brock still isn't used to Shin's new fight style (and neither is Shin), and they were up against the BEST Gengar in the known pokeworld. Please excuse my poor analogy, but when I play magic the gathering, I don't expect to win the first game with a deck I just overhauled and did deep edits to the day before. This is especially true when I'm up against my friend with their professional level, perfectly crafted, best of its kind deck. Brock and Shin are still working on their technique. Agatha and Gengar have theirs perfected. The loss was a bit of a forgone conclusion. But I will agree, having Shin lose so fast, especially after the hype of the last month, was a bit disheartening.

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan

*smacks forehead* I phrased that ALL wrong. What I meant was less "She's been sandbagging matches!" and more "She kind of showed her hand; Even the kiddies realize she's been sandbagging for decades now." I'm curious how people like Lance will react now that they KNOW for a FACT Agatha has been sandbagging. It's one thing to suspect, it's another to know.

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan

(Replying to the P.S.) Now I want to see Brock train a weedle Rock Throw or something rediculous...

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan

Agreed. Losing to Kaede would have come out of seemingly nowhere while losing to Agatha seems inevitable/natural. Kaede was unknown, spends a large chunk of time on movie sets (i.e. not training), and has pokemon who... appeared a bit underleveled compared to Brock. Brock. Who trains constantly, has high level pokemon, is well established, AND evolved Aura Communication mid-fight. It just seems/seemed wrong for her to beat him. Agatha is tricky, well established, has literal decades more experience, and her pokemon are (probably) on a higher level then Brock's on average. Heck, her pokemon are OLD. Ghost pokemon don't age like other pokemon which is why Gengy is probably one of THE strongest (non legendary) pokemon out there. If Agatha had lost to Brock, I think it would have felt a bit like Brock losing to a 1st year trainer.

Jericho Rising

I'm actually really curious when the Gengy realizing Brock doesn't fear death part comes into play later on. There's no way the trickster would keep that from Agatha for a joke.

Empty Shelf

I mostly skimmed this one. I'm still here for the slice of life, but the battling has been a consistent let-down lately.

Rinaldo

She promised Oak she wouldn’t break his toys. Toys being a united Indigo and not Agatha going Evil Galadriel all shall love her and despair.

Jericho Rising

You took one of the oldest most experienced Elite four members the format has ever seen and had her teach Brock more about aura during an Exhibition match. You also taught an old dog new tricks by actually winning a few over on someone so much more experienced. Honestly I expected Brock to be beaten over more than he was; a 4-6 win on Agatha's part is generous to Brock and shows how much stronger he's become in terms of the very top. He's getting up there but there will always be a higher ceiling to reach for. Thanks for the great chapter.

Mario Schade

Brock can lose. I don't see that as a problem at all. It's just the “how” that has to fit somehow and.. It must fit logically and comprehensibly into the world. And KAede was just very strange back then.. The first version back then against Kaede was really surprising and a out of nowhere. It's a shame that you developed the feeling that Brock shouldn't lose or show weakness. I don't feel that way at all and believe it is not the intended eay most of the readers are expacting (like reading todays comments). I think, as other comments show, it's all about the writing fitting into the world shown. Surely there are even “deus ex machina” moments in real life that nobody expected. But Brock losing to Agatha here seems perfectly okay. For a story and for in-world-lore and logic. I'd go even further. You've advanced a number of different points at the same time with these two chapters: The evolution of Aura, the future impact on “the world” after Agatha fought like that (Blackthorn, Lance, Claire, etc. with long lost methos for aura or even battle-/war related), potential out-of-region Pokemon, the kids with notes as future trainers and thus active characters in the story, Agatha's status in-world and for us fans (also as a legend of the franchise since Gen1 with high mental images for a big number of fans)... I think that's a lot for 2 chapters and personally, as a reader and fan, I'm very happy with the last two chapters. Of course, you can always find something. But I don't think it's so bad if Shin doesn't pull out trees right away (after new moves and 1 week of training) or Titan only uses a small selection of attacks and maybe went down without the big omph. In the context of this showmatch, it's okay to let Brock learn or recognize something. And it's also okay when a character like Brock loses in an understandable way.

Rinaldo

On the contrary, it’s good for Brock to take an L occasionally both narratively and him psychologically. He’s not unbeatable and especially if he continues to put his life on the line in deadly Pokémon matches he’s not always going to have favorable or even circumstances.

Zeoes

Less mad that he lost and glad there was proper build up to his losses and that it serves the story. We started the story off with him beating Lance the Champion, him losing should have a reason whether it's to build up Brock later or build up the narrative for later. Which this does. There will be reactions and consequences to him losing by both him and others. Whether it's training harder by Brock, Lance and the Blackthorn's thinking he's going for the Champs seat (again despite reassurances against doing so). These are things we wanna see. Don't build up something then make it irrelevant otherwise, what was the point?

Michael Ox

Loved it! It felt so right to lose here

Skrubstar

Good chapter, and yeah, Brock really wasn't going to win this one, and that's fine. On a narrative level, he needs to see the Mountain, and also get experience fighting against other Aura empowered battlers. On the meta level though, makes sense. Agatha's Sharpened in War with a target on her back. rather than Tournament's and Training, and has probably seen some of the best and worst that all type specialists have figured out and mastered. Does make me wonder what exactly was lost, since well, I can imagine the plan is that both sides sent out their Best and a lot of them didn't end up coming back.m

Jamie Kilday

Love it

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan

Really liked the interaction between Brock and Gengy when Gengy went all "I have seen death and returned from it's depths!" And Brock replied "Yeah, and? I did that too; You aren't special." I hope we get to see Gengy interact with Brock more. I think it would be interesting to see them interact. I am convinced, that Gengy is convinced, that the afterlife screwed up when it made Brock human. I think it would be funny if Gengy was insistent that Brock isn't a human, he's a ghost and just doesn't realize it. Cue Agatha trying to figure out why her pokemon now insist that Brock is "One of Us." (She knows Brock isn't a ghost, hasn't had a near death experience, and isn't a ghost specialist.)

BotsBoy 408

"Old age and treachery will always beat youth and exuberance" - is the perfect quote to describe Agatha. Fun fight and it was nice to get some side commentary from the kids watching.

Docnox

Great match!

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan

Second name misspelling spotted: Selene quavered slightly only for me to take control of our bond. I gently encapsulated Elene with my dark energy while calling more forth from within myself.

Bast

Thanks for the chapter!

Jeet Jeet

Ok first of all thank you for the great chapter as always. Secondly, I did expect Brock to lose this match. It doesn't make sense for Brock to win in this situation. Sometimes experience trumps talent. Brock just started playing in the big leagues. Also Agatha has a lot of hidden depth, it just made a lot of sense for him to lose here for now, though a rematch should be a different game all together.

Stan Lewis

Thanks for the chapter! This felt like a good example of someone strong and with more experience then Brock leveraging advantages for a good, realistic win against him. I would suggest doing another pass over on the editing front though. There were a lot of typos in this one. For example, apparently Bruno is a walking to?

Mugen23

Great chapter! It makes total sense for Brock to take the loss here.

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan

Edit. Pokemon name misspelling: "Chin dug his blades in what remained of the ground..."

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan

Edit. Incomplete sentence spotted: "I tracked the movements with nothing but my eyes which got harder with all the explosions Gengy was "

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan

Uh... did Yolanda make an accidental burning remark when she said "Best get used to glaring at the mirror then" or was that on purpose? I mean, Crystal just said she wanted to glare at idiots to have then shut up. Yolanda tried to say "then practice" but instead said "look in a mirror". (The implication with Yolanda's words, is that Crystal can shut up an idiot with a glare if she glares at herself (i.e. the idiot))

the pyro stick figure 76

Earlier, it was confirmed she has a higher mastery than Pryce so she’s been sandbagging for a decade.

Matt H

My two cents: I wouldn't worry so much about the specific outcome of a fight as how you get there. What I mean by this is that some authors seem to focus a little too much on the broad strokes of the plot and forget about the steps along the way. A character losing isn't a problem in and of itself as it is frequently used as a catalyst of change and growth. However, there's a big difference between a narrow defeat and a crushing loss, losing to someone unknown vs a well-established figure, etc. The original loss to Kaede felt a bit too out of nowhere and plot-contrived. Brock is, narratively, a significant enough figure at this point that his peers need to be around the same level or set up to be intentionally low-profile/unknown. Kaede was in a weird position of being a known figure due to a TV show, a highly ranked Ace Trainer, but somehow her skills and prowess weren't well known? Losing to Agatha, a genuine Master of her type and likely the most experienced active battler in the entire region, feels like a completely understandable and REASONABLE outcome. All in all: don't worry about it, it was an enjoyable chapter, and I'm interested to see what Brock can learn from Agatha! P.S. I'm not sure I agree with the implication that the result would've been much different if it weren't an Exhibition Match. At least three of Agatha's Pokemon naturally learn Mean Eye and we've already seen Sabrina demonstrating that a sufficient Master can teach moves to Pokemon that they couldn't normally learn so I wouldn't be surprised if most of Agatha's Pokemon know the move. If the only, real solution is to be that much stronger and faster than Agatha that really says something about Oak's past strength.

Kminttech

Thanks for the chapter, loved the battle conclusion. Did have one minor word change suggestion. Was hoping someone else had already mentioned it since I never know how to format these things good. "Brock had (utilities) on more than one occasion." -> "Brock had (utilized) on more than one occasion."

the pyro stick figure 76

Personally, loved it as an aside, though I really like it when you go in depth in authors notes.

olyver

I liked the match. High intensity, and it showed the strength of both trainers. It felt much better than the tie with Will, because Agatha is older, more experienced, and more competent. I just hope it will also be a good learning experience for Brock. As a suggestion, I have read a fanfic where the SI!Ash figured out a way to reproduce Z-moves using just aura and his link with his pokemon. Seeing something like that would be awesome.

PiezoVolt

This makes since as an exhibition match and Agatha's reasoning on why this match played out since she was low key in control of the whole match. Kinda of surprised you had Shin in the match since he only started the new training for only one week, but it makes sense to give him experience with his incomplete new fighting style. Hope you can make Brock be more flexible in fights since he's only really using dark piles as a means to attack long range mons weak to dark. In my opinion he could've have laid rock tomb traps to cut of vision from ghosts and Agatha and get close for crunch or another physical move for his more physically inclined mons. All in all like the chapter, don't mind that he loses as long as it's because believable and not pull an Ash

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan

Edit recomendation: "she quickly made a note of in her pokedex. Said pokedex was getting a workout tonight with everyone in their group, bar Giselle, raising them up the instant the new pokemon had appeared." I think it would read a bit cleaner if it was more like: "she quickly made a note of in her pokedex. All the new pokedex were getting a workout tonight with everyone in their group, bar Giselle, raising them up the instant the new pokemon had appeared." The current wording implies that everyone is using Yolanda's pokedex, and then the noun changes near the end of the sentence to imply everyone is using their own dex. (I just think it should be plural and not singular from the start)

Incraze

I dont hate the loss, would like to see some other counters workshopped for destiny bond in the future as i feel at least in game mechanics it has somewhat of a timer before it fizzles, Or things like taunt at the very least. But it was a fine battle imo.

S. Nutter

I rather liked this battle. There are only a few battles I could see Agatha losing, if she was really putting any effort into it. It is good for Brock to lose every now and then, no matter what fans tend to think, as it is impossible to have every situation planned for when you are restricted by rules and environment and are locked into 6 pokemon.

ChronosPerpetua

I don’t mind Brock losing at all. It shows he still has things to strive to grow and overcome. That’s important for the health of a protagonist

Vexdt

Thanks for chapter and I do not have a problem of Brook loosing if it is shown/explained in a believable manner especially not against someone like Agatha (and without Empress 😉)

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan

Hold up. Did Agatha..? "Yolanda suspected that [Agatha]’d always been... sandbagging on [her opponents]."  Did Agatha sandbag against LANCE?!? Because Yolanda just implied that Agatha didn't go nonverbal against Lance. Which means she was sandbagging against him. Which means she *let* Lance win against her when he was chasing the title Champion! ... wonder how Lance feels about that? (Does he realize it yet?)

Carter

This was a great chapter and I think it was done super well! Thanks for the follow up note. I think that everyone knows Agatha is a serious badass by now so it makes total sense that Brock could lose to her. Moreover, her hiding her aura strength makes sense in the context of her long term goals in the story. It makes sense Brock wouldn't know about or have an answer to such a thing.

Deltoren

Now here is a good loss. Honestly this makes perfect sense in the meta respect but also in the battle. This is the kind of fight Brock needs to get better at.

thevolunteer

Losing to tactics from a veteran Aura user like Agatha makes a ton of sense. Hope we actually get to see Brock improve his tactics from this.

MrMarauder

Loved it! Great writing ✍️ 👍

Tank45

I don’t care that he lost. It’s that you put effort into building up Shin only to have him lose. It’s the fact that Titan apparently only knows 2 moves that being Stealth Rocks and Dark Pulse. Made him look like an idiot to start it off. Did like the moment with Gengy though, got a good chuckle out of that. That being said, I don’t really care for the battle or result. It felt unimportant.

Donald Bagwell

I loved this, 1) Agatha is an old guard leader of an organization for protection 2) Agatha is probably one of the strongest trainers around and could have been the champion instead of lance/ pryce 3) this also could have Agatha training Brock more one on one Now could I say my hope? That Agatha teaches one of Brocks sisters how to be a median as they love her shit. Would be awesome

Jordan

Honestly it makes sense that he would lose. You have brought it up in your story time and time again as good as brock is, he focuses on brute force and how strong his pokemon is and not strategy. Which is the worst thing to go into a battle with someone like Agatha.


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