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Hard Enough - Chapter 252 - Decieving Darkness

🕑 Added 2024-08-27 19:00:04 +0000 UTC

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Donald Bagwell

Fair

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan

I think Jean is right and there is only the between seasons boot camp. However, I do think a mid-season in-person check-in for sponsored trainers makes sense. Brock has typically only sponsored one first-year trainer, so it was probably easy for him to drop by and check-in on them in-person halfway through the season to make sure they are as okay as their written/virtual reports claim. These are kids after all. They might lie without realizing simply because they don't know what they don't know. But this year Brock has a bunch of sponsored trainers. So having a boot camp instead of a mid-year (surprise?) drop-in would make more sense logistically.

Jean Marc Kunnen

wait, i thought the boot camp was at the end of the circuit but a bit before the league conference, or am i mistaken? cause if i'm not than the boot camp is going to take a while what with this tournament being in the halfway point in the circuit.

Cielo Ontiveros

This was a really fun chapter! Im in awesome of the Chaos about to be unleashed at this press conference and then the following gym assignments. I wonder if Kaede will end up having the first fairy gym since she is familiar with this typing a bit. Also, i cannot wait for the trainer boot camp. Its been mentioned a few times as coming up and i cant wait. I want to dig into Humphrey and some of the other sponsor trainers. Their are a couple we haven't heard from in awhile!

the pyro stick figure 76

I feel like you're missing in the forest for the trees with the idea of using mega stones as prizes, and if you want it to be an item everyone needs you can just use the Keystone. However I highly doubt Brock would give these out as prizes or even hold competitions for them simply because the idea of mega evolution itself is much more than simply an individuals raw power with their Pokémon. Now, I can definitely see him handing them out to his fellow league members and to some sponsor trainers when he feels they've earned it. For the sign note I'm pretty sure Brock can still use the mega stone having researchers look it over and have him practice with a Pokémon it's compatible with are not exclusive in any way in fact seem to complement and demand such actions to be taken.

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan

@Donald Bagwell I like the idea of a Megastone as a prize, but it doesn't really work in-world. By that I mean that mega stones are specific to pokemon. If the reward is a steelixite, it's not going to be as big a draw for a mono-grass ACE trainer. And some ACE trainers don't have the funds to go out and buy a pokemon just for a Megastone. Yes, the resale value is there. (Stones being worth millions and all that) But when over 90% of the competitors can't make use of the winning prize because of pokemon incompatibility? When the winner is likely to just sell the stone? Might as well just make the prize cash at that point. Save the winner the hassle of organizing the sale. Like I said; concept is good but practically says it's unlikely. It might be possible, but I doubt it's probable. Side note: Does Brock realize the first Megastone his company finds is probably going straight to a research group and won't be his new toy? Even if it does match one of his pokemon? I looks forward to that realization...

Donald Bagwell

On the fifth hand (grapploct arms now) I can see this starting a debate on mega legality and when it is and isn’t okay On the sixth hand if Brock or Steven or a crazy rival for riches who feels slighted in the mining game decide to sell mega stones or hold tourneys for it? The amount of rules might lesson past “the highest levels of competition and the best in the known world” On the seventh hand I can see Lance telling Brock exactly his problems and Brock looking at it from a non poke world and poke world perspective before counciling him on how to both help Bruce and blackthorn, and or going to investigate the dragon it’s thing with Lance, finding the isle of dragon it’s early, possibly with Forest, Ash and Misty with somehow Misty and Ash catching a dragonair and Lance making the decision to not only sponsor them (to keep the location secret) but as a champion of the clan putting Bruce’s actual position as the warden, guard, and branch clan head in charge of the isle. Maybe having Misty’s and the boys families charged with secret in exchange for family visits as a sanctuary of pokemon? Cause an entire island inside a permanent storm of dragon types? Misty is probably walking away with kingdra and ash most likely with a dragon. Lance, and likely the elders, would rather Bruce gain more prestige then loose the monopoly on dragons. Brock most likely heard (maybe) about the isle of dragonite, and if not he probably looked at eternal storm island as either legendary or an adventure to clear lances head/ bonding time with main cast and siblings. On the eighth hand, Lance could see this as him failing Brock again. It’s been shown Brock is someone he respects heavily and feels he didn’t meet expectations of. This could both be an appeasement or the elders pushing him to battle Bruce, Brock or both. For my four, all really depends on Lance next time we see him

Donald Bagwell

this is my idea to the surge Maybe have each gym town (that can so realistically all but cinnabar Viridian and that one steel dudes city (with saphron having 2) put up a minor (first gym challenge), mid level (non first run and non ace), and Major tourney (ace) with them putting up something the gym leader finds would help on this level Pokemon: no one would say no to a well bred speciman that they all think is popular, strong and powerfull maybe items: the idea of what price the in game battle items are makes me recoil in wallet pain. there would be fights just for that and desperate people from all over the surge wanting that sponsorship: brock already sponsors orphans and is blowing money on mount moon, grandpa canyon and more. I beleive koga and janin, sabrina and maybe erika would also be amazing just because they all do several things for their types and can bring out a ton of money, land a prestige by being sponsored by them even for a season megastones: mostly just brock here. for the ace circuit what would you rather have. fight most likely karen or bruce in the normal tourneys and get smoked by their mega, or god forbid brock, or go to an open all ace trainers tourney for half a chance at claiming a possible mega stone? personally the indigo and all other leagues happen every year. there will always be more. a mega stone though? to be in the same breathing space as Stevin Stone, Sabrina, Brock, Karen and Bruce… to be in the realm of the true elites. now, this has to be a meeting, most likely decided on by lance and brought to the attention of the full league. this would be the gifting of a megastone after all. but can you imagine it? Brock presiding as the master of games as an opening solvo to both one of the most anticipated indigo leagues but also the last gym related tourney? The idea of what Brock alone would give out for his mid level prize alone would have me running, and his high level ace prize? I would beat down the door!

Donald Bagwell

@HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan Similar to that, and thanks for the agreement? For E I was mainly thinking the hilarity of the trainer surge kids and what happens for an ace version of that, then he walks in one day to the office with a haggard old lady secretary asking for a raise as he had an Ace surge and is now booked for the next year at least. Could be funny

Oblivious Bookwyrm

Thanks for the chapter, Viva! I waited to read Brock vs Karen until I could binge all the chapters, and I don’t regret it! I would’ve been chomping at the bit week-to-week! Hypnotoad’s a beast! Clear MVP! Same with Lapras actually, that Fake Out was glorious. And I loved how Tyranitar didn’t even need a Mega Evolution to beat one. All three of those moments were so good that I have a hard time picking which was my favorite, but I gotta give it to physically overpowering an OHKO move. I felt like I was in the crowd screaming my ass off right along with them!

Oblivious Bookwyrm

It’s implied from her POV chapter to be a high attunement to Water-type, wanderlust, and good ol’ fashioned PTSD as a result of the War. I’d hate for it to be a psychic attack. That would absolve her of any wrongdoing and weaken the character conflict. Can’t really blame her if she actually has brain damage as a result of a mental attack, anymore than you can rightfully blame someone who committed a crime while mind controlled.

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan

@Donald Bagwell About the idea of a tournament involving Mega Stones and Brock. I actually made a comment in an earlier chapter about this exact idea! It was about how the Indigo Tournament at the end of the year is going to get overwhelmed with trainers. We've seen already that the Indigo League isn't really ready for the number of trainers they have right now. Having that many all in one place for a tournament? We saw a little of the problems Brock had with Pewter having too many trainers. And that wasn't even all the trainers! That was only a chunk of them! A bunch of others were drawn away to other cities to take pressure off Brock. The Indigo tournament would take weeks and many trainers would feel cheated of a true end of year tournament experience. What were the numbers... 6x as many trainers? That's 6x as many people who are out of the tournament in the first round. Dozens of trainers who would normally make mid-tournament not even getting to round 2! So I propose that Indigo create a 2nd tournament to take place a few weeks before the normal end of year tournament. Only, instead of the Winner getting to challenge for the Champion title, the winner gets a Megastone. Other placements get pokemon from Indigo Gyms (assuming Gym Leaders agree to put forth pokemon. I assume they would based on Brock's earlier Pokémon Auction). But no matter what, participating in this tournament eliminates you from participating in the Indigo End-of-Year Tournament. That was the idea anyway. No idea how the Megastone would be picked or anything.

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan

@Donald Bagwell Okay, I THINK I was able to follow everything you said. I'm a little worn out and brain dead from work, so sorry if I didn't grasp everything. What you're saying is that: A) Everyone wants to challenge Brock because fighting The Best is a Must Have ✨️Experience✨️ B) Sponsors want their trainers to fight Brock because it's good PR for them C) Something about a tournament? With Mega Stones?? I think that was about sponsors?? D) Lance is not as Popular as Brock because Brock has better PR coverage. EX: Lance's fights aren't typically televised, while all of Brocks (official) fights are televised. E) Brock is going to be inundated with even more challengers now. Personally, I only disagree with E. While Brock accepts any Ace Challenge, he limits it to ~3 times a week (for burnout prevention and injury healing). So while his secretary might be overwhelmed with calls, Brock will not be overwhelmed with Ace Challenges as he only permits so many. But he probably will be booked out until the end of the year.

Donald Bagwell

I think you forget something, the mindset. You are thinking in terms of our world, in this world being a champion is a goal for everyone and they crave growing stronger. People challenge elite four unofficially (ash v Drake is the earliest that comes to mind) and see those challenges like whetstones on a blade. A measuring stick against the greatest they can see? Where they can repeatedly challenge a man who will help them grow? To face down the strongest? These people live in a Shonen world and they all want to be the protagonist now. They see their shot and will run to it like moths to a flame. More then that is they have sponsors. The fights with Brock as the number 1? The man who fought and beat a champion, who held back a legend, helped defeat team rocket, and is also launching his own brand into mega evolution? I imagine sponsors would help build a stadium, run a tournament, organize everything all while kissing his ass if they just had Brock put a singular mega stone as a tourney. Brock can wave his right for a stone to whoever got second and still compete and every sponsor in indigo, hoen and sinnoh would crack down on their trainers like the hand of god to compete. I think even Devon under Stevie either competes or has to make their own tournament in a similar way. Not to mention everyone watches the mans fights since Lance, his ace battles and most likely high level gym battles are going to be televised even against no names and has beens. People would fight their family in the real world for a million dollars, what on earth would they do to get noticed by other sponsors? Hell some might make a rubric of “if he takes down one of Brock’s pokemon, he gets a basic sponsor, 3 and he gets mid tier, 5? Well he is a vip for the company. What he WON well he is now the face of the company” I can freaking see this being “leaked” to the public who have the main limiting factor, as even described by both Brock and oak themselves being stable space for mons, as something they would gov up body parts for. If Brock has a deal with networks that some of the money goes to the person he is fighting? Brock would not just be the darling of Kanto and decently liked in indigo, he would be the most loved member of ace challenges. And going back to this, Brock offers jobs. He gives good and real advice. He is the strongest and most practiced trainer all of these people have ever fought. He is legitimately the peak from their eyes and is giving out free and real advice and a lucrative job as gym trainers, guards and more who will teach you how to have a rhyperior, maybe give you an ancient pokemon or god knows what else to them. He could be challenged by what amounts to struggling talents who crave to be sponsored by HIM. He has one of the largest ranches in indigo (confirmed by Gary) the knowledge to the point he is giving lectures to professors and is credited with multiple discoveries that blows minds. Even if it’s just for a chance to prove worthy. A chance to gain something, even a bit of the mana experience, pokemon, evolutions or more… I would fight him too! The difference between our mindset and Pokémon’s mindset is that they have nothing in mind while battling than “I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was” as the mantra. I don’t think he would have more than a short break after this. What really would happen is a rehash of the trainer surge from before. Only now with adults. I fully expect a second surge, maybe enough of one to have multiple other gyms be opened up as well in other areas. Simply because of Brock Hell Lance would need to do something insane to deal with just the sheer popularity Brock is gaining What I want to know is how Lance responds to Bruce, how Lance responds to Brock, and how in heck the world reacts to Brock saying in the most himbo way possible “I promised my family I would take them on a vacation, so yeah. Sorry!”

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan

I'm really curious how Lance is feeling about all of this. He's both a fan and a rival to Brock. So watching Brock rise up the ranks is probably equally appeasing and terrifying. On one hand, the guy who beat Lance is proving that they have skill (which inadvertently helps undermine anyone saying Lance getting beat means Lance is weak). On the other hand, Brock just gave the Blackthorn Clan a slap in the face by supporting Bruce. And also kind of slapped the League for not finding replacement Gym Leaders for the Kanto Gyms. (Yikes! Although, Lance is 99% sure Brock had no idea he was doing this) On the third hand (we're working with Machamp hands here), Brock has *definitely* grown stronger over the months since he challenged Lance. He beat Lance then, but what about now? Has Lance improved enough to win against this improved Brock? On the final hand, Brock is shoving Indigo strength in the face of other countries. Brock doesn't really buy into the Kanto/Johto rivalry (and having a strong trainer not buy into it probably undermines that tension a little), so Brock being strong really does mean Indigo is strong. So, politically, it's great that Lance (Johto Golden Child) has an equal in Brock (Kanto Golden Child).

Jean Marc Kunnen

so a bunch of copy pasted will's

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan

I wonder... normally #1 Ace trainer doesn't let just anyone challenge them but Brock implies he's going to keep accepting any and all challenges. But, the question now is, who's going to challenge Brock? This is the guy who beat the Champion. The guy who just beat the previous #1 Ace trainer when that trainer had a mega evolution going. This is the trainer who, for those in the know, fought off a Moltores (there is No Way that no one knows about that). So the question then becomes: what sort of trainer would challenge Brock? I think he's about to be inundated with the overconfident and underskilled. The kind of trainers that need someone to smack some sense into them, and the kind that are hoping to learn something from fighting Brock.

the pyro stick figure 76

Loved the fight and I'm interesting to watch what the public reaction will be too Brock becoming the new rank one. Just as a note I'll be the using the discussion in chapter 138 for how the ranking and tournament works and 158 for what the usual attitude of the rank one is. From what we know this tournament and the end of the year one are weighed in such a way that winning them guarantees you'll be rank one, the gap between you and the rest will be enough that you won't have to accept matches nearly as much as the rest. It's even stated that if you aren't in the top 20 previous rank ones won't even entertain the idea of having a match with you. So as long as you didn't lose any matches you can essentially bank on the tournaments to maintain the position of rank one even with the end of the month points reduction. Brocks already stated he's not doing the end-of-the-year tournament and he's about to publicly announce it meaning everyone's going to know that. Here's something else Brocks going to do, allow all challenges! He's already thought to himself in this chapter that he has no intention of slowing down even though he's now rank one because simply put that's never why he was doing this. This does bring an interesting conundrum to other people in the ranking, if these two tournaments are equally scaled and Brock keeps having matches at the same rate and a few more because they're looking to challenge him, then it could very really be the case were winning the tournament won't give you enough points to surpass Brock. So if anyone in the top 20 wants to be rank one they do need to challenge Brock before the tournament which would only increase his lead. Another thing I'd like to theories on is if this might finally push Lance to seeking more challenges. In his Interlude he already sees Brock with the elite challenge and thinks to himself how he needs to start seeking more challengers, especially now that Brocks displaying his new level of aura connection with his Pokémon. Earlier Brock try to guess who else would have this level of connection and from Agatha's Interlude we know that she and Koga have likely obtained this with their constant use of nonverbal communication alongside professor oak who we've rarely seen with a Pokémon has shown never needing to give verbal commands. However Lance has likely just now approached this level if he's achieved mega evolution. It was noted as recently as this tournament that entering mega evolution essentially forces you into that stage with that Pokémon, as shown when someone like Bruce who doesn't have this level of connection ordinarily had entered it with his starter.

Wayne

Yeeeeeees! Go Brock! A well deserved win! Was on the edge of my seat the whole time, and great for Jormungandr to pull off the win and round off the tournament. Also glad to hear that Brock isn't resting on his laurels and continues to think on how to improve his current roster like Shin.

Spacefather

Really enjoyed this Karen arc! I think it helped her case for elite4, made Karen and Brock get closer as allies/friends, and showed Brock's growth and learning to use his "dark" side positively!

Boobby hill

Good end With a better back and forth between Karen and brock I know things said in battles like these are taken with a degree of salt but some things are better left for some other idiot to offend Overall I did like this arc showing more fuacets of battle styles in this pokemon world while also building some character for Karen and introducing the aces trainers that makeup the adult circuit The kaede fight is going to have hassle to it but all in all that fight wasn't bad and hope to see more trainers use strategies like that so brock can work on not being such a lunk Still think the lance fight was the best fight we seen so far but that seems obvious cuz duh champion Moltres was interesting to see as a natural act of God gaining sentience and immediately becomes angry enough to set the thermostat to 9999°c More of a survival event than a battle Will can suck it Team rocket is basically dead Mewtwo is chilling who knows maybe he watched the match What a story it's been so far Can't wait for the next chapter

nugitoBambino

i'm of the current hypothesis that Lola is in fact stuck failing to recover from a psychic attack back during the war. Her ability to literally realize the time and place she exists in is terrible - that's my guess. I think Brock's gonna get this realization and it will be a huge struggle for him to assist her like a random person he would help if he found out about such a situation vs. his deep-seated resentment about this treatment regardless of how justifiable the cause.

Donald Bagwell

Brock: as long as I can still have you on tap to teach my sisters self defence, I’ve never felt safer then knowing they can kick above their weight class (literally) Karen: that goes without saying *eye roll*

OrigamiGuyII

Maybe it was in a previous chapter?

The Tallest Tree

Really great end to the tournament. Happy with Brock's growth as a trainer but also his widened perspective on how to move forward. Cheers!

G 21

🎉🎉

Orbnet

Great chapter, wish we got more xd

Caras Galadon

I have to say, I’m happy this part of the story is over! Let’s go somewhere else! But it was a really good part and I will miss the trill of so much battle! It’s perfect time to moving the story tho!

Vara

The build up for Lola is like a supernova in waiting. I'm on the edge of my seat.

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan

Reporter: *Criticizes Brock for the Perish Song trick* Brock: *Oblivious* I know! Wasn’t it great!?! I never get to do pranks like that!!! It’s bad form to do that sort of prank as the Gym Leader where over 90% of trainers earn their first badge. As for Sabrina, she knows my pokémon and their moves too well to ever fall for it. And my siblings… bad idea. (Some viewers are baffled and impressed at how Brock just reframed his dirty trick as a silly prank. And he seems so genuine about it?!?) Karen: *snarky* And your friends? You ever prank them? Brock: I do. I mean, I just pranked you? That counts, right? Reporter: Karen! How does it feel to have one of your own tricks turned against you? Karen: *waves hand* It’s fine. Brock just comes off as such a straight and narrow kinda guy I wasn’t expecting it. *points at Brock in a challenging way* But I’ll be watching for such tricks in the future!

CentaureHeart

That was awesome ! I like that Brock is becoming this gentle giant in the pokemon world. Just needs to remind people he can kick their asses from time to time.

Orbnet

Tide didn't use 2 hyperbeams against absol you write that he used ice beam and then one hyperbeam

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan

Edit: I think the 'who's' in the following sentence shouldn't be italicized. “I’m a cheeky smug prick who’s close to winning.”

HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan

Omg the Perish Song trick was HILLARIOUS!

Antony Wilson

Really happy with the direction you went love it

Carter

Great chapter! Yay Brock!

Qweku_v

Wonderful chapter. You can really see how much they respect each other through their dialogue.

olyver

Well done. I love how you managed to highlight both the inherent toughness of his pokemon, with tricks and tactics that allowed him to beat Karen at her own specialty.


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