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1.136 [The Tyrant Riot]

🕑 Added 2023-04-06 09:00:57 +0000 UTC

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Huzaifa Haq

Damn you and damn your cliffhangers (⁠╯⁠°⁠□⁠°⁠)⁠╯⁠︵⁠ ⁠┻⁠━⁠┻

Red Kite

It seems to be two parts: Griffon doesn't like the fact that a higher power can potentially make your own efforts worthless or unimportant - An example being with Prometheus balancing their humours, and griffon feeling conflicted because it makes it feel like his own efforts don't matter. However, he does seem to respect higher powers that actually provide assistance to people in need. Prometheus again being someone who Griffon respects due to stealing the Flame from the Gods. And I suspect he'd respect Storm-Urania for giving Scythas the tools to complete his goals - which ended up being helping the other Heroes. It seems to be that Griffon wants Higher Power to be showing the way for others. Not invalidating their efforts, but still ensuring that those beneath them can rise to their level. With the story from Damon however, I think Griffon was still trying to figure out why it annoyed him. This was before the Orphic house, where he had it confirmed that yes, there was something wrong with the world. Before that, he was still trying to put his finger on why he was so frustrated.

John Spooner

Damn Alexander and Caesar boutta run a train on Asia and the Mediterranean.

tehlu

It would be great, if they clarify what is meant by *help*.Lio says ‘higher power is a curse, muses are not worth burden of their favor’. Previously he almost had breakdown when he saw that even his father called into a higher power when personal power & experience where not enough to bridge the gap. Anagyros claims all the striving of cultivators in the end is appealing to a higher power. In the case of Muses, they provide direction and nothing else, a cultivator still has to achieve everything themselves. What is the cost to that that so grates at Lio. It’s not been made clear but the benefits are clear. Seems to me that Lio would rather there was no help atall??

Red Kite

The problem with the Muses is they offer nothing at all: Scythas told the Urania in the storm that when he met 'His' Urania, she said she could only show him the path and never help him walk it, whilst the Urania in the storm told him that would have been a Lie. This is repeated in the chapter before: Griffons main frustration is that for all they advise and direct, the Muses as they are never *help* people.

Chad Champion

I'm thinking the Muses offer power and guidance to heroes in exchange for taking their hearts upon ascension, thus the 'curse' of higher power coming in. Alex and the Macedonians could've had a cultivation system not based upon Muses and Greek Mysteries that placed a greater bias on ascending through your own power, which would explain how they kept their hearts and got so strong.

Caoimhín

Cultivation is tied to mindset and one's personal philosophy of life, when Alexander casted Ptolemy off after Ptolemy 'strayed' (he probably was disloyal in some way, or decided to stay in Alexandria as ruler rather than following him East, maybe), Ptolemy became a hollowed husk of himself. Betraying his purpose crippled his cultivation. Now we saw how merely being in the presence of Alexander's sword restored Ptolemy's cultivation to what it was in the past, the outrage at someone defiling Alexander's legacy drove him out of the depression that had been crippling him for centuries. So Ptolemy wasn't ascending or having a breakthrough in his cultivation, he was being restored to his former glory. Also, yeah the Macedonian cultivation style is related to stars. Macedonians call cultivation 'The Hitching of Stars'

Red Kite

One of the lines used to refer to the world being iron is 'Every King is a Tyrant. There are no exceptions'. Being literally heartless is one aspect of this. However, That does not mean things have to be this way. I doubt that Ptolemy was ascending to some 'Pure' version of the tyrant realm, if only because it seems to go against some of the current themes of Higher Power being a shackle no matter how good it's intentions (Even Solus agreed, and Griffon was expecting him not to because of how much he respects Gaius). But there are ways to stand on or above a Tyrants level without giving up your heart. Griffon will probably find one. After all, his Virtuous Heart is His. Edit: The Star Crown is probably just a Macedonian thing btw. Alex the Kinda-sorta-Okay is noted to wear a Cape of Stars.

Caoimhín

Exactly. And this sword comes from Anargyros. So what I mean is that probably at some point Anargyros became recognized by the sword and Alexander, with the Conqueror saying 'THIS MAN TOO IS ALEXANDER' for Anargyros, I guess he took on the name Iskander after that, which is why Griffon's uncle referred to him by that name. The story of how Anargyros came to have that sword must be an interesting one, as it seems like it belonged to Alexander, but Griffon said that the hilt is the same as Gyro's sword back from the days when they killed the Drakaina. So maybe Gyro took the blade from Alexander's sword and fused it with the hilt of his own, or he forged that sword out of some metal or treasure related to Alexander and that's why the sword carries Alexander's curse?

Alex M

Iskandar is the Persian variant of Alexander's name.

Caoimhín

I guess Anargyros was that too. Back when Griffon stole the sword and escaped with Sol, one of Griffon's uncle's said 'He stole Iskander's sword' so it seems Anargyros had taken that name in his later years.

Alex M

Ptolemy is Macedonian rather than Greek, so their tyrannic realm equivalent might allow for stranger outcomes.

Thewizzardpineapple

Personally I think that seeing Alexander restored Ptolemy’s heart, and with that plus the mentions of a crown of stars I think he was becoming a King instead of a Tyrant. Maybe.

Ianaeyore

The strongest of the caged tyrants has a heart. That concept seems to go against what we’ve been told about the tyrant’s realm. As always, I find myself with a dozen questions for every answer given.

Red Kite

Oh so Alex just straight up named Griffon his heir with that little light show. Damn.

Guilty343

Time to start reading about Ptolemy until the next chapter drops. Anything to fill the Hollow Domain left by finishing a chapter

Glamb.

Really interested in Alexanders characterization and how his legacy affects the cast so far. Also excited to hopefully see more of persia or egypt later, the story has played fast and loose with any sense of timeline so im interested to see who is where, and what peoples/empires he decides to place in the story. TLDR: Griffin, Parthian horseman, and Gaulic tribesman love triangle when?

Sam Baker

Bro - hells yeah

Daniel Fuller

Damn, Over the course of this chapter I actually grew to like Ptolemy. All the Chad characters like the butcher and Ptolemy die too soon. Hope we see them again when Griffon and Sol go to the underworld.


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