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Life could have begun in an interstellar gas cloud

🕑 Added 2023-12-22 16:00:06 +0000 UTC
Life could have begun in an interstellar gas cloud

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Spot on! Panspermia and that research paper simply don't answer the question "how did life begin", they just push it off, as Sabine notes. There is evidence, although I can't find any right now, that lipid shells form normally and such a shell could have entrapped a set of chemicals, such as a set of self-replicating molecules and other molecular machines necessary for proto-life, a bit more than viruses have as they need cells, to start life. I doubt that space could provide the environment for any ongoing chemical reactions that are part of living cells.

How to define life? The german sience communicator Hoimar v. Ditfurth defined it in his book "Der Geist fiel nicht vom Himmel" (Mind didn´t fall down from heaven) as an act of demarcation from the environment. I always figured that very helpful. According to that, biological life began, when self reproducing chemical systems locked themselves behind a cell membrane. But can this work in an environment without any athmospheric pressure? My biological expertise says "No".

Rad, it's rather hard to figure out if something can be figured out before it has been figured out. It is my understanding that, at least for now, there are not known for sure places besides Earth where terrestrial life may survive for long without heavy technological assist. The Sun will heat-sterilize our planet, as it continues to brighten, in some 0.5 or in 1 to 1.5 billion years (depending whom one asks) first evaporating the oceans and stating a runaway climate warming that would take out all the water, turning Earth into a Venus analogue, even long before entering the red giant phase: https://www.science.org/content/article/earth-wont-die-soon-thought Mars and the bigger Galilean Moons, with plenty of space for life to exist, if conditions were right, will warm up as the habitable zone move outwards, but low gravity might make long-term all terrestrial animal life unhealthy and short, as it would all forms of life the cosmic radiation with no strong magnetic field protection, no proper atmosphere as a secondary shield, etc. If those moons' ice-crusts were to melt, perhaps terrestrial aquatic life might survive there if there truly are deep water oceans below the ice, warmed also by the energy of Jupiter tides. In one billion years of further evolution, we might have become aquatic ourselves to escape the heat of the Sun, if we are still around.

Rad Antonov

If we wanted to ensure some life from Earth survived the Sun’s red giant phase, could we figure out how to migrate organisms off the planet to another celestial body or even beyond the solar system? Is it conceivable that another civilization may have tackled the problem long before us? Not that it answers how life began but maybe there’s motivation to spread it once it starts.

So are we all aliens, both legal and illegal? And stromatolites maybe old, but they are still around and doing just fine. I do find it hard to believe that in those clouds, that are "dense" compared to the hard vacuum that most of space consist of, besides some fancy ribbons of some luminous stuff that probably is not very important in the larger scheme of things (just important enough that astrophysics is actually a thing that gets money to people like Tracey to subsist and forge on) and at temperatures cold enough to liquify hydrogen in practically a vacuum (*), there could be something out there organized enough to be a living, reproducing thing, is just *this* close to being completely unbelievable. For example, if some kind of life appeared and endured in such clouds, what would make it fit to survive and multiply under the utterly different conditions on Earth? "Panspermia" used to be in the realm of crackpottery until not so long (and it would seem has only half-emerged from it). But it has been gaining respectability, because why not? In fact, it is a fascinating idea. But until now, it has been about life carried around by meteoroids propelled off, by either volcanic explosions, or by collisions of planets with big asteroids, from those planets, where until then had been just rocks sitting unremarkably on the ground, but now carrying as passengers some microorganisms that had been living on this rock minding their business until propelled into interstellar space. Where, as it turned out, were of the kind that can live almost forever without anything to eat, drink, or breathe, and that also likes to shower in cosmic rays. That seems considerably more deserving of consideration, based on some meteorite evidence, the existence of extremophile bacteria in our world with some of those properties, and on our ignorance of where, when and how life actually got going on Earth. (*) [Emphasis is mine] In 1885, Zygmunt Florenty Wróblewski published hydrogen's [phase-diagram's] **critical temperature as 33 K (−240.2 °C; −400.3 °F); critical pressure, 13.3 standard atmospheres (195 psi); and boiling point, 23 K (−250.2 °C; −418.3 °F)**. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_hydrogen


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