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Complexity: The biggest gap in modern science

🕑 Added 2023-12-16 13:00:07 +0000 UTC
Complexity: The biggest gap in modern science

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But is it really "that we don't have the maths"? Mathematics provides the means to model the world, but it may not be "all that" as neural networks are able to find patterns, using algorithms that are not explicit equations, in what appears to be similar to how brains function, at least at the subconscious level. The visual center and neural network starts by identifying straight lines and curves at a lower layer and then at a higher layer puts those together to form faces. So, maybe it's time for a change of paradigm that recognizes that mathematics can go only so far.

Seems that any shot at defining complexity, can start anywhere. And end anywhere. Or not end anywhere. Even a closed system with perfectly understandable existence is connected to other systems and hence its fullness is the complexity of all the circumscribing that's needed to grasp it using additive, subtractive, and distortable horizons. And we know its baked in that we will always miss something. If we did not, then it wouldn't be complex. Rad: Thanks...golf is analogous.

I feel your words, Oscar. When I was a wee lass, physics-wise, my Master's advisor had me calculate the fractal dimension of his pulsar emission model (based on soliton collapse in the magnetosphere) and then do the same for actual pulsar data to see if some connection could be made. Sure enough, the model showed chaotic behavior and a well-determined dimension because it came from a pretty straightforward set of nonlinearly coupled differential equations. The actual pulsar timing data didn't show any hint of fractal behavior -- was this because of noise, because time between pulses was not a state variable, because it was not in a chaotic regime, ... The study of chaos always _seems_ like something big is on the horizon, but in actuality there is so little to show in practice.

One possible approach to a mathematical formulation (probably limited to the macro classical level) of what is a complex system and how much so, could be based on the size of the state (or phase) space (i.e. the number of states/dimensions) needed to describe its dynamics as well as the properties of the differential (or difference) equations that prescribe the individual and interactive behavior of those states as the system evolves in time, perhaps along a way that is forced to follow by its interaction with other things outside the system. Or with everything else, if physical things are coupled in some way (e.g. gravitation) throughout the Universe, so the whole of it is one enormous system in the sense described. Or not, if, for example, the attempt to define and deal mathematically with complexity is a scientific wild-goose chase.


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