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Physicist reacts to quantum memes

🕑 Added 2023-11-05 06:58:40 +0000 UTC
Physicist reacts to quantum memes

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The Bohr semi-classical atom model, with electrons moving at a velocity that kept them following stable circular orbits without radiating electromagnetic energy while there, and with the orbits radii quantized, provided pretty good values for the emitted photons energy being that of the energy changes from orbit to orbit. At least in the case of the hydrogen atom. But it had to be abandoned for another that also made very good predictions for hydrogen, but was also better at predicting that for other atoms and for many more things, developed from another point of view: the "fuzzy" cloud model Sabine has referred to. Perhaps the situation is similar in the case of the electron? Good classical results for electrons, not so good for other things? The Schrödinger classical model of the electron was published near a century ago and things have moved on; perhaps in this case too?

Sabine, What you say here about the spin is the usual – but to this extent unnecessary – mystification of QM. A spin is not a rotation? And not an angular momentum but something similar? Please look into the paper of Schrödinger of 1930 about the Dirac function. Schrödinger has evaluated the function and found – by means of quantum mechanics! – the extension of the electron to be around 4*10^-13 m. If we assume that the charge inside the electron moves at v=c, then we get the value of the angular momentum and the magnetic moment correctly. If we use this classical view together with the undeniable fact that every extended object has an inertial behavior, we achieve the inertial mass of the electron with high precision (1 : 300 000) in contrast to the non-result of the Higgs model. The question why the measurement of the spin yields only certain results (i.e. two for a fermion) needs a better understanding of the interactions of the electron in the appropriate situations; which is unfortunately not in the focus of present-day physics.

Tipically, hidden varialbles theories not even find any mention, kind of inquisition

Maybe Wigner's Friend is a "meme" (or else a good, if tricky idea) that merits some discussion? (Eugene Wigner, from whom this idea is named, was a former professor at Princeton University and winner in 1963 of the Nobel Prize in Physics.) As I understand, in the original version as put forward by Wigner, the general idea is that the Schrödinger cat in the box is in a superposition of "dead" and "alive" states until someone opens the box to have look, then the opener ("Wigner's Friend") goes immediately into a superposition of states 1 and 2, where "Friend 1" finds out that the cat is alive and "Friend 2" that it is dead. This has created, as a cursory look at the published literature on this idea indicates, a number of proposals for modifying Quantum Theory, introducing also a modified version of the original definition of the problem by Wigner called "Wigner's Friend 2", described in the linked article below. This has also brought in the issue of non-locality and the corresponding Bell's Theorem. The implications are positively awesome: "The conclusion in the context of the Wigner’s Friend thought experiment is that between the two spaces of reality that Wigner and his friend inhabit, there is only a consistent objective reality for each of them in their self-contained realities, but no universal one. As unsatisfying as it might be, it was reliably determined by application of Bell’s Theorem itself along with photon experimentation on multiple “friends” and “Wigners." https://chemistry.princeton.edu/news/quantum-bootcamp-part-iii-eugene-wigner-his-friends-and-a-quantum-princeton/ There have been several hypothetical ways proposed to get over this and there seems to be also room for the further disturbing implication that if Friend 1 sends a signal meaning "cat alive" and Friend 2 another one meaning "cat dead" to Wigner, he and the enclosing space around him also goes into superposition of "Friend found cat dead" and "Friend found cat alive." Until someone else comes in looking for Wigner and then ... So not just something strange, but perhaps also contagious. As this article does not mention "Superdeterminism", Sabine might be miffed enough to address this "meme" sometime.


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