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Chapter 172 - Interlude: The Bored Princess

🕑 Added 2022-12-07 17:07:35 +0000 UTC

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EsZeus

I kinda dislike these interludes with this character. I started skipping them fully... It just isn't my thing and not important for the story for me ^^

Joe

Why would she have cared? The actions of her subordinates were extremely tame by her empires standards, and that is the only moral/ethical system she has ever known.

Eifer

I don't mind her too much. What I do mind is her not taking responsibility for her subordinates actions. It's clear that she's still young and inexperienced if since she didn't lay down the law when she found out the kidnapped people. Yes, it happened so now she's going to make use of them. But any leader with an ounce of experience would have bitch-slapped their subordinates for pulling a stunt like that.

Cora

Ngl, I really hate this character. It's a purely personal and visceral reaction. The only solution is to delete her. Lol

Kyfe

That wasn't my point. My point was his argument was that some Tier 8 would most likely find them distasteful so they would destroy them in passing for some reason. I've only shown the surface level of what's going on so far. There are complicated political reasons (among other considerations) nations IRL haven't banded together to destroy other nations they deem evil. All I'm doing is pointing out that there is most likely something similar going on here. People are people, after all. The nuke argument isn't the only factor. There have been evil nations that didn't have nukes after nukes were invented, but politics, alliances, and other considerations like loss of life were taken into account. Consider this, if a T-8 annihilated the empire, which I've only shown the deathsworn so far (regular people exist), he would be committing suicide by Misery.

Tristan R Mitchell

Kyfe, modern nations CANNOT be compared to these. Modern nations have to deal with the threat of nukes, so large scale war was abandoned for small teams, a few hundred or thousand small teams becoming a force. In the world you are building, the nuke-equivalent is a high-tier person, and you are creating an empire that all our knowledge of human nature says WOULD NOT exist for long with that power.

Hartmann

You describe almost any Empire that has existed or still exists. LoL

Kyfe

Yes, you're description of them is apt, and yet there exists a nation almost exactly like that in the real world that hasn't been destroyed... I don't want to reveal more than what's been written in the story, but you've got tunnel vision on more than one aspect. I'm pretty sure you'll understand by the time it's revealed, but I don't want to get ahead of myself in the comment section, lol.

deus vult

let's see: they're warmongering, violent, militant, and they treat their own people like slaves. on top of that, they don't give individuals a chance to rise the ranks, and they openly discriminate against someone of lower birth. it's easy to posture over their citizens as their lords and masters, because their entire society is aspected towards fearing and respecting those with higher numbers. it's ingrained to them from birth. which makes the people much easier to control. now, I would personally only do such a thing knowingly if I wanted complete obediece and control, because doing that alongside not letting talented people rise the ranks immediately causes corruption and rot to spread across the entire civilization... which makes them weaker, which makes the civilization even EASIER to control. which is part of the point. you're eventually crippling it, and making sure that the people from these civilization, the ones you conquored, will always be lower on the totem pole than the ones you actually serve... because the land is filled with corruption and rot you introduced, and by them, when the conquoring people come to posture, they'll all be on average much higher than those living in the corrupted civilization.... so you've set a mentality of a chosen and conquored people. when a 'chosen' comes to visit from the outside, he'll be much stronger than the average citizen. it reminds me a bit of colonializm. the only way this would work is if you've got plenty of troops from the outside to fill the ranks, and your purpose is not to settle, but complete domination. really, such a caste system is downright insidious. malicious, even. anyways, there's no way for positive relations with other nations since this one is warmongering and militant. people tend to fear those. not to mention how strong they are, which should make them even more afraid. I don't know since my only experience is from playing civ, but the moment you declare war on somebody for no reason, all of the other nations would completely become hostile. there's no war, but there's no chance for positive relations. so, you would never do that unless you wanted a domination victory for your civilization.

Kyfe

You're making too many assumptions. You've only seen a corner of the surface of their society, and I haven't shown any of their diplomatic relations with peers or superiors, if there are any.

Member of the Unseelie Accords

Lol, totally didn’t see that. I agree she plays a role in the story and could theoretically serve as a good foil to Reivyn. The reason I asked the question is because there seems to be a lot of apologists for her because she was raised in a different culture. I was trying to see what they found redeeming about her enough to like her.

Steven

Hahaha I never said I like her as a character I just understand the role she plays in helping further the story

Derek Walker

It’s not clear a tier 8 can take on an empire with potentially hundreds of tier 7s, millions of tier 6s, and potential tier 8 in the empire itself. In fact they probably couldn’t do it unless they were like almost about to ascend, but the number of people who are that high is exceedingly rare. To give an idea, one needs 1.2 billion exp to make it through tier 8. Also remember you get a experience reduction for killing weaker monsters than you. So a tier 8 can only get normal experience gains from just camping out in tier 8 regions. Even then they have to kill hundreds of thousands of tier 8 monsters over the course of their time in tier 8 to gain that much experience.

deus vult

if they're treatment of both soldiers and civilians is so shitty, there needs to be a reason for these people's success... and I see nothing that could help them rise any further than tier three.

deus vult

ascension takes a long time, and it'll only take them a few months to get rid of the 'empire'. it'll even grant them life experience. liberating the "oppressed" people. honestly, I see only benefits coming from it. not to mention that if you live nearby and someone is making huge waves and being an asshole, you would check it out. it's like a particularily loud neighbor making noise and being an idiot. of course you call the cops. you're trying to get some sleep. the only reason I see to not kill them is to let them grow bigger so they could "harvest" them for more life experience. if someone is being THAT huge of a dick, there's no way they'll survive. the amount of force they'd have to expend against their oppressed people combined with the force expended towards the nearby countries harrassing them would drive them towards poverty very easily. which means poverty. which means weak military might. which means death for a militant people. not to mention that all of their actions were those of conquorers. creating a caste system so it'll be easier to identify whose who and who to control. using force in every single aspect of the government, the only symbol of luxury being how much you're NOT being oppressed. you'd only do that if you REALLY don't care about the population. it's like cutting off a limb then letting it regrow unnaturally... ruining someone's entire culture just so you could posture over it... you make them organize themselves to determine who's best using an unprecedentant level of violence, then you naturally put yourself at the top. India still has problems with the caste system installed by the british. I can see how that shit would last even for millenia AFTER the fact. successful conquorers would employ sons and daugthers of former slaves and give them the only chance to rise through the military, like the romans for example. that way, you gain loyalists, and for each city you conquor you gather even more soldiers fueling your progression. their every actions seems garnered to gather more resentment. which makes sense since they're from the abyss. but that doesn't explain WHY they're so successful.

Kyfe

I can't answer your first paragraph because it touches on a huge plot point. As to the other aspect of a powerful Tier 8 finding them distasteful and destroying them, there simply aren't any around their neighborhood. Even if there were, most people at that Level would be focused on Ascension and not necessarily care for what's going on in the world around them unless it directly affected them. There are other things to it as well, and it will eventually come out in the writing.

Member of the Unseelie Accords

Thank you Scyfe, for explaining your thought process. I thoroughly disagree with it, but I appreciate you explaining your rationale.

Member of the Unseelie Accords

Thank you Steven for explaining your rationale for liking her. I thoroughly disagree with what you said, but I appreciate you laying out it.

Scyfe

I like her, main reason is that even though she hasn't had much screen time she is fairly well developed, has a personality and set of internal morals she views the world by that is different, personal goals that are distinct from the MC, and an interesting backstory. I can overlook the 'evil'ness because this is a fantasy story and morality would obviously be different. By comparison I find Kefira less developed even though she has had a lot more screen time, a lot of her character and personal goals seem to be about being an accessory/tagalong to the MC and I find that she has a much lesser sense of her own purpose. I enjoy driven characters and from my opinion on reading so far on how I imagine their characters it feels like Kefira is someone the MC will shortly outgrow, whilst Aeriella could keep up with him. While her actions are undeniably wrong in a civilized society, the one painted in this novel is far from that, and where strength is so important it is reasonable that those who can't reach for it/value it would be looked down on by those who do.

deus vult

how did this 'empire' survive? all it would take is for a tier eight to fart on them and they'll all just die. like, imagine having the soul of some divine god or goddess, then being marred by birth with a '1' on your forhead to be turned into a brainwashed slave... imagine how much carnage there would be. the leaders would be cursed and turned into some decrepited twisted former versions of themselves forever trapped in neverending agony. then the calm demeanor of her "master" would be worth less than the fart they gave when they destroyed the empire. I think the only reason they're even still alive is that no one has seen them yet. that's what I don't understand. in a world in which powerful people can do whatever the hell they want, whenever someone would start acting like they were god, they would be quickly taken down a notch by someone who would find them distasteful. so why are these people still ok?

Carl Mason

You make some excellent points, the only thing I would like to bring up in addition is that she actually does know that her actions ARE moral. They simply do not conform to our standard of morality. It is one of the same reasons why here on earth the West and the East are regularly at odds with each other, we have such incredibly different cultures and societies and histories. Our moral standards diverge greatly. Same issue here.

Steven

She reminds me of Toun from the wheel of time. She grew up in a culture that the way she is acting is normal. I could see her growing a littl but not much in the area. It also sounds like a big arc in the future could be her taking them back to the empire and it being incredible education. It doesn’t sound like they were the reason for the other tier 4 empires getting invaded.

SwiftFate

It's a desire for a harem and nothing more for those people. They see it as an opportunity and have it in their heads that a character like this is the perfect fit. Even though in every sense of the word, she's just a creepy psychopath.

Alex

Considering the world she was raised in her actions make sense. I wouldn't want to know her in real life, but in the story her actions are reasonable. Their entire culture is about power. It's a little worse here since T6 people are still reasonably close to T3s, but in other cultivation novels there's people who can blow up whole planets with a thought. The lives of mortals go by in practically a few seconds. Their perception can perceive billions/trillions of people at once. The lower level people are practically like bacteria. Nobody cares if they get destroyed. I bet you've killed mosquitoes before cause they annoyed you. Or fruit flies. Not to mention eating meat. We are no better. We just justify our actions, just like they do in their culture. There is no perfect world. And she is right, she could've done a lot worse. She never had any positive role models. How is she supposed to know that her actions arent moral? I don't think I am managing to properly express my feelings. I find her annoying and on earth she would suck. Even on their World she sucks. But she is still far from the worst that World has to offer.

Kyfe

Lol, nah, I don't hate her. I didn't even hate Ren, but it's probably because I understand their place in the story.

Hyperion

Sheesh, you sound like you made a character you hate as well.

Member of the Unseelie Accords

Thanks for clarifying, I didn’t want to make too many assumptions. I thought it was some sort of familial superiority complex.

Kyfe

Not just her family, just the older members she believes put in the work for personal improvement. She looks down on most of her siblings, too.

Member of the Unseelie Accords

In reading the comments, I am curious about the people who like Aeriella. Can someone who does like her, please tell me why you like her? I mean this honestly, I’m not looking for an argument/discussion. Because when I look at her actions, even if you account for the fact she grew up in another culture, I find her actions lazy and irresponsible. She threw a whole region with hundreds of thousands(maybe millions) into chaos with lots of people dying all for a personal project. In this chapter she causally kills/mortally wounds a number of slaves for not being up to her standards. She looks down on basically anyone who is not her family, except the MC. She stalks the MC while the war she started is going on, when she could have responsibly stopped the fighting.

Derek Walker

I actually believe there aren’t any. Kyfe mentioned a tier 6 empire has about 10 or so people at Legendary tier 5, and even if they have say 1000 people at legendary tier 6, only those 1000 people can advance to tier 7. Only a small fraction of those will have mythic classes at tier 7 allowing them to advance to tier 8. This basically means except for a small elite force, everyone will be two whole tiers down from even the nuisance monsters in the region. I don’t think you can have an empire surrounded by death on all sides. If most people in a tier 6 empire scrape up to tier 6, then it’s possible to be pretty secure from monsters, but unlikely in a tier 8 empire.

Dolduck

She's an insufferable, arrogant cunt, and she deserves only death. If she gets some sort of moronic redemption-arc I'll probably just stop reading. Life's too short to waste it hate-reading about people you hate

Luciaron

Well now I won’t believer there’s not a tier 8 empire out there somewhere

Bryce

I hope Aeriella eventually finds out that Reivyn lost 3 years of his life so he really is outclassing her in skill gains as an 11 year old (maybe 12). Wonder how she would react to that information

Derek Walker

Great, thanks a bunch!

Kyfe

If you'll remember, when she was undercover she claimed to have a support-style Dancing Class. She wasn't completely lying. She's a tri-Class: Support/Martial/Caster. She's a bit spread thin, but she's still above what would be considered very talented for each aspect when compared to someone focused solely on that aspect. Kefira is actually flat out more talented than she is, and she's focused on Casting.

Derek Walker

Is Aeriella's class actually a combat class? or one of the Quasi-combat/lifestyle classes mentioned before. She seems much more capable at martial skills than mana skills (seeing as how she said Kefira totally outclassed her there too, but she had the stats to keep apace with Reivyn), but if she had't really kept up with swords, it seems maybe she doesn't have a pure combat class.

Kyfe

Yes. Also, one of the things higher Mana density affects is the plateau. So people in T4 empires reach a plateaua and slow-down in the mid-40's, regardless of the threshold at 50. T6 Region allows for a bit faster Leveling speed, but the real difference is that slowdown comes in the 60's. Aeriella wasn't super focused on Swords until she met Reivyn, though she did keep up with her practice. She's now experiencing that slowdown in the 70's and trying to brute force through/sidestep it. This is also one of the reasons she's discontent with a lot of the other nobles her age. She feels like they're coasting too much.

Derek Walker

Thanks. All this means Aeriella should feel even worse she's behind Reivyn and Kefira on skills given her leveling rate and access to resources should be much higher lol. I assume a higher mana density even affects leveling on non-mana skills like Swords.

Kyfe

Kefira was talking about Refix specifically when she said that. It's a tightrope. It's both easier and harder to get a higher rarity Class at a higher Tier. It's easier for higher Tier Regions to Level Up quickly. The System takes one's entire being into account when offering Classes. Someone who advances quickly will be able to get a better Class as long as their Skills keep up. If someone only focuses on Leveling up, that's the trap, but if someone is able to Level Up fast while also building a strong foundation, that is rewarded. The System only takes the individual into account, so whether they're in a Tier 6 Region or a Tier 1 Region is irrelevant. Thus, people in T6 Regions have a much better chance at higher rarity classes in general. And, just FYI in case it hasn't been obvious enough, higher Mana density has an impact on Skill acquisition and Leveling rate.

Derek Walker

Thanks! Maybe this is plot spoilers lol, but are legendary classes affected solely by skill levels and achievements or does time matter too. So like it seems a little odd to me someone gets a T6 legendary class if they happen to reach transcendence in several skills/affinities (maybe you need more than that, I don’t know lol) when they’ve had 100s of years to level those skills. It’s actually legendary for someone like Refix and even more so Reivyn to get those skills levels much quicker. Maybe this answers the question, but all else equal is it easier to get higher rarities at higher tiers, or it easier to get a tier 3 epic class then a tier 5 epic class. I think I know the answer lol, but it’s best to hear the official answer, if one can be given right now I also thought Kefiras comment was about the specific mythic hero class, but other mythic/legendary classes

Derze

i like her a lot. And it is sad that you are right.

Kyfe

The difference really starts to show itself around Tier 4/5. There is a higher percentage of the population with Rare Tier 2 and Rare/Epic Tier 3. Rate of Leveling and Skill gains is fairly similar at the lower Tiers, but it doesn't slow down nearly as quickly. There are far more Tier 6+ people. For more comparison, Refix and Ameliyn would be considered very talented even in the Tier 6 Region, but you'll find people just as talented. Kefira said out of a thousand Tier 4 empires you might not find 1 Legendary Class at T5. There's about 10 or so in the Tier 6 Region. There are even more T6 Legendary Classers. Another difference is the natural stopping Tier of the regular populace. In T1 Regions, most people barely make it to T4. In Tier 4 empires, most people make it to the beginning of T5. In the Tier 6 Region, most people naturally make it to T6 before the end of their lives.

Derek Walker

Is the population of class rarity in a tier 6 empire roughly the same as a tier 4 empire? (at least on the higher end, and noting in absolute terms a tier 6 empire may have more legendary classes simply from being bigger). It seems like Aeriella is leagues above everyone else even in her tier 6 empire and has the second strongest bloodline we have seen, and she capped out at Epic tier 4, same as Ameliyn, same as Kefira. Now she might get a legendary class at tier 5, but Ameliyn and Kefira have good shots at those, and Refix has one, and these are considered the most talented people around. (Reivyn the outlier) This sort of suggests a similar profile for class rarities.

TheeGreenBean

I think whatever you do with this character half the comment section will get mad…

Derek Walker

One interesting confirmation is that Ameliyn’s bloodline is as strong as the bloodline of imperial family of a tier 6 empire. Which is about 30-35 thresholds, from some guesses that I’ve done.


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