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DITW 15-13: The Quiet Shade of Verdant Groves

🕑 Added 2024-09-06 20:20:45 +0000 UTC

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Mike Monroe

Great work KT...sort of unrelated ..but KT ..does Nia and Geoff exist in same world as Kimmy and Josh... Toronto I know this is KT verse just curious as in between started reading Cherry 🌸 again..my favorite of all of KT Classics.

Bill F Protagoras

Like the Ohana reference in particular... RCH.

Bill F Protagoras

Since she was first introduced I have considered Hyun to be a doppelganger to Kimmy's character, and their fates seem to be linked and doubled in many ways... I briefly flirted with the idea that Devlin might have been the shady cause of her break up with Meyer. But KT soon gave that trivial fancy short shrift. The thematic doubling of the lives of these two 'Asian' spouses is perhaps the reason I feel no indignation towards Hyun, in fact I would be shocked and horrified if Kimmy and Hyun, who in my opinion lives up to her name, had to end their relationship as the 'price' or 'cost' of Josh's return. And I would think less of Josh if he demanded, or condoned such a rupture. I certainly don't see any malicious trace of Devlin in Kimmy's relationship with Hyun (barring the odd wicked fantasy or two)... And as I said some time ago, it's possible to love more than one person at a time, especially when they are worthy of such affection. Polyamory need not be confined to sex or eroticism alone (love is a many-splendoured thing)... I certainly don't expect my beliefs to affect the outcome of this work. However, I do feel that there has been a build up of too much melodrama around Hyun, who is one of the least blameworthy characters in this story. With the exceptions of Sophie and Colleen obviously... One of the things KT does best is give relevant roles aplenty to women and children in her works. Even the men are rarely stereotyped... KT has the touch! Or is it sensitivity? It might even be argued that calm, at times selfless, Hyun coaxed Kimmy away from her worst excesses. Her soothing presence at crucial moments placed inhibitions on Kimmy's bouts of craziness, her unobtrusive support encouraging self-restraint in moments of crisis. And when Kimmy decided to leave Josh 'for his own good' what would have become of her without Hyun and Sophie, linked by extension to Meyer?

Kat

I agree that this book could be mainstream if she made some adjustments. KT creates these worlds with such vivid descriptions they feel real. The sexy stuff is a bonus. Lol It also works, for me, because you feel like you know these characters. This chapter was so descriptive, I felt like I was there.

RCH

Have to agree that this was a wonderful chapter. KT with some editing and sensitization of the sex scenes this could be a mainstream romance or similar.

RCH

I second his Noble nomination! Poopy Diapers, The Horror.

RCH

With Cuckolding!

RCH

Yep!

Chris K

So, an episode of Full House?

RCH

While I don't know exactly where this will end at this point... It's a good bit of visual writing I see the scene, smell it and feel the vibe in the room. Josh, as stated has vanquished the demons of his youth and so has Kimmy to a point. Hyun is a potential loose end but... It would be a waist if Josh just walked away. A mature adult would look things over access and IMHO see that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. He has more to loose than if he walks away. "Ohana" is a beautiful concept that fits this situation. Simply it means "Family" but in a wider sense too. Its Josh, Kimmy and Colleen at the core. Meyer, Sophi and Hyun too. Kimmy has done wrong and has gone through hell as well as Josh. It's a hell of her own making! But still it's an awakening that was necessary to exorcises her demons as well as Josh's too. Josh has faced defeated his biggest nightmares and survived(almost not). Kimmy had underlying issue that started from losing her mom to the loss of the first baby. Josh thought he was married to a princess but she is flawed. Kimmy has made the transition to move on. She sees the value that Josh is in her future. Josh could do the selfish thing and walk away. It would cripple him if he does and impact Colleen life too. Kimmy values Josh more than she ever could have without Devlin & Amy. We don't see that Amy was Kimmy's bully until late in the story. She traumatized Kimmy in ways only girl can do to other girls. With no mother to go to Kimmy had to face Amy on her own as a adolescent, and again as an damaged adult at the reunion. There is a whole book that could be written analyzing these two! Josh need to finish the final step with his healing and forgive Kimmy(she is repetitive willing to take the punishment). Josh take the woman you love in your arms and love her!

Kat

I really liked this chapter. Josh is finally showing his backbone, telling Kimmy that if he stays he’s staying in the house, and not the garage apartment. All it took was for him to look into Colleen’s beautiful eyes and he’s her dad. I feel like Kimmy watching him with his daughter. Those scenes are beautifully written. Kimmy has changed, too, but in other ways is still the same. She seems to really be trying with Josh. Her omission to Stone Sr. was almost to be expected. A person can’t change that much. Lol I’d love to know what happened with Devlin, but it’s clear that he’s gone from their lives now. Josh’s near death and becoming a mom, seems to have cemented a change in Kimmy. I loved the dialogue between them here, as well as Colleen’s laughter. I could almost picture a toothless baby laughing for no reason. The only thing missing is Kimmy’s confession about Hyun. I almost don’t want anything to happen with that. What purpose would it serve at this point? I think if something happens it might come from Hyun, through her attitude, the way she treats Josh, etc. Maybe something will happen at that breakfast Kimmy offered Josh if he stayed over. Cooking and cleaning for Kimmy was one thing, but cooking and cleaning for both Kimmy and Josh might be too much for Hyun to take, especially when the plan was for Josh to live in the garage

Bill F Protagoras

"Whatever charm she’d had over him before had waned; he was no longer so eager to lap milk at her feet, to seek equilibrium and acquiesce to insanity in order to establish it." A fresh glimpse at the refurbishing of interior Josh. An impressively sensible unwillingness to acquiesce to insanity in order to achieve some equilibrium. From the lapping milk at her feet are we to infer he has envisioned himself as her pet pussy. Kinky!

Bill F Protagoras

"Laughter came. Real honest to god laughter. Totally and completely unexpected. And the more he held his hand against its swell the more the laughter’s flux taxed the restraint." "Kimmy showed pure offense. Kimmy showed the expression of an insulted aristocrat. Now he laughed hard enough he bent at the waist and put his hands on his knees." Here with Joshua's spontaneous blaring laughter we reach a new turning point in the Waters' foundering relationship... "It would be extremely interesting to write the history of laughter. In church, in the palace, on parade, facing the department head, the police officer, the German administrator, nobody laughs. The serfs are deprived of the right to smile in the presence of the landowners. 'Only equals may laugh.' If inferiors are permitted to laugh in front of their superiors, and if they cannot suppress their hilarity, this would mean farewell to respect. To make men (and women!) smile at the god Apis is to deprive him of his sacred rank and to transform him into a common bull." A.I. Herzen; On Art... he also said... "laughter contains something revolutionary... Voltaire's laughter was more destructive (I would say effective rather than destructive) than Rousseau's weeping." NB "Only equals may laugh." Josh subverts the narrative... Mayhap even the walls of a regal stronghold will come tumbling down. Another very carefully structured chapter full of cunning KT subtleties... Josh also proves that with modern nappy technology all that's needed is a willingness to get your hands dirty... care and patience and a constant awareness that babies' mobility and motor skills often develop at an unsettling pace.

Bill F Protagoras

Well, Tracey, knowing her depths of depravity only made me want to know what deeper deviancy she had on her mind, and made me wonder what new degrees of mundanity might have tickled Dev's routine size and submission oriented fancy...

Tracey52

Having said that Josh still doesn’t know all the depths of depravity that she reached.

Kat

Afraid that she might be his granddaughter, I think. She’d have a claim on his business and his money. And it would mean that she’s Devlin’s, and he cast out his son.

Kat

He does! It’s also me, my sense of humour sways to the inappropriate. Sometimes I’m even too much for my 13 year old son.

JL23

Good point, not so much lying as just letting him think what he wants. She didn't previously describe Keith as someone who'd much care if he had a grandchild, but here says she thinks he's "afraid" of what the truth is. Is he afraid the she isn't his granddaughter, or is it he's afraid she might be?

Bill F Protagoras

“The depravity I could have sunk to with Devlin was bottomless. What we did might only have been the tip of the iceberg. Maybe, just maybe, your reluctance saved me.” After the initial hyperbole of Kimmy's confession of the scary plunging depths her perverted entanglement with Devlin portended... she tactfully concedes to Josh a tentative, modest role in her putative 'salvation'. For once not crediting herself as the prime mover of a 'Vita Nova' as a family... Sharing the limelight with him...

Bill F Protagoras

Yeah, deeding has a Miltonic ring to it but would be a neologism... Not really Josh's style.

KT Morrison

Shoot, that was supposed to say dimming, indeed. Stupid spell checker as i'm writing changed it on me.

Bill F Protagoras

Kimmy is not actually conning her boss so much as taking advantage of his misapprehensions.

Bill F Protagoras

To sign away... perhaps.

JL23

Was going for the laugh, but "bonding through poop" can be a real thing for newborn parents, especially if you're doing it together. And clearly Josh is all in on being a dad. Josh asked Kimmy what she needed him for, what he could give her, and one of those things is this. Full acceptance of Colleen and an eagerness to be a dad. I'd have to imagine that incredibly sexy for Kimmy to see. I also liked that Kimmy actually admitted to him that she probably would have pushed him to extremes, if he hadn't pushed back. It really was him falling in the icy water that poured a bucket of ice water on her as well. If you go back to the night before, her in the apartment with Hyun after being confronted about the money, that was Kimmy at her most maniacally confident. And even so brazen as to try to start something with Hyun with Sophie there. Even the next morning, before Hyun gets the text from Meyer, Kimmy firmly believes she can stay the course and everything will work out in her favor. But everything changed for her when Josh goes in the water. It really did wake her up it seems. And, at least as far as we know, she's stayed sober from that point on. As to the Hyun stuff, man they're SO close and that could ruin everything. But it just feels like we need more there, if not for Josh then for us the readers. We'll see if we get it. I agree, right now it feels like we could be at a point where this can wrap up in a few more chapters, barring a complication.

L_S87

Had me rolling too, Kat. What a way with words, JL! I also like how brutally honest both were here. Especially Josh. Letting Kimmy know *why* this is so hard for him, because he hates all those other assholes, and she, the one he loves, was acting just like them. A dichotomy of love and hate. Hard to overcome. And yet Kimmy did an amazing job swallowing her pride, something she'd *never* have done before this past year, and simply accepted it and promised that she'd do better, that this past year was intended to help towards that goal of earning his acceptance. And I'm sure in time, his trust. Which is why I wonder why Hyun is left out of this. There's a logical explanation in there somewhere. Hopefully we get it. As it stands now, this feels ripe to jump to a final epilogue chapter, but I hope that's not what we get as I'd like a least some closure on the Hyun relationship. Whether that means it's still active and Josh decides to stay away because of that or it's in the past and stays that way, it's been too prominent a point with multiple mentions from Josh where he clearly gets something is there for it to just vanish into nothingness. Here's to hoping Kimmy did the right thing there, even if she couldn't with Keith Stone and Colleen's parentage. Josh's statement on being afraid of her puts Kimmy on clear notice that something like cheating with Hyun would never be tolerated.

Tracey52

Could kt have meant dimming?

Bill F Protagoras

The warm presence of Colleen and the description of her dreamy infantile flourishes permeate and console adult distress. The tiny stirring creature with frail gestures capitalises on her parents' dormant strengths... quickens them into affable solicitude...

Bill F Protagoras

"Kimmy retreated with a heft sigh and gathered the satiny fabric around her legs." In modern English to heft is to lift or carry something heavy. The heft is usually the weight, or wieldiness of something hand held... frequently a weighty weapon or tool. Where I come from the adjective 'hefty' is a colloquialism for heavy... so a 'hefty' sigh... or 'packs a hefty punch'. Heft sounds obsolete, and according to the Complete Oxford Dictionary is. Still it IS in the dictionary as a past participle which would fit the case! A sigh that was heaved (heft). After all language is by its nature mutable...

Bill F Protagoras

"Josh closed his eyes. She said, “I saw myself in them—Devlin and Amy—and I hated what I saw. I finally hated myself. That’s why I left. I saw Amy for what she really was. Dumb. Privileged. And all the trimmings amounted to nothing. Shoes, clothes, trips. All the affectation of big business. And the depravity. A whole wardrobe just for depravity, something in every style and color.” Love it... surely she must realise she is still enfolded in it herself... Even, in the worst of cases, hoisted by her own petard... But this remembered flash of insight bodes well.

L_S87

This, for me, was the best chapter of this book. I absolutely loved it, KT. Thank you. The only bit of tarnish, if there really is any, is Josh avoiding the subject of Hyun. But, we still have more chapters for that and I can easily see him not wanting to broach that subject given the weighty matters they were discussing. They're still quite broken, but there's a new bond there, shared around Colleen. One that's allowing them both to be more truthful without yelling or anger, simply discussing what is and what may be. I *love* the fact that Josh put it out there that the apartment was a no go. Either this was his house and they were in it together or they're done. No in between. I feel like the only shadow hanging over this is the massive elephant in the room that is Kimmy and Hyun and the status of their relationship. It will be interesting to see how that unfolds.

JL23

Deeding: to cede or sign over property. I read as those bad thoughts cause him to sign over the rights to remember any of the good times fondly.

Kat

I loved the Kimmy and Josh dialogue, and we’re getting a little more Kimmy POV. I loved the Josh, Colleen and Kimmy time, too. And I laughed at the end when Josh told Kimmy he just wanted to sleep. I wonder what else Keith Stone knows. Did Kimmy tell him about Devlin, or maybe used the tapes she made against Devlin? It doesn’t matter. Devlin doesn’t seem to hold sway against either of them anymore. I’m glad that Josh was honest with Kimmy on how he feels about her, though. She seemed to be semi honest with him. Lol She told him she viewed herself in Amy and Devlin and it made her sick, but left out where she had this revelation.

Kat

“Bonded by fecal matter,” 😆😆😆😆😆😆

Bill F Protagoras

"But there was the black veil of betrayal deeding the light from those golden memories." What does 'deeding' mean in this sentence?

Bill F Protagoras

"Or anyone I would want to associate.” Or anyone I would want to associate with... phrasal verb.

JL23

Who would have thought all it took was a hearty laugh over his wife conning her boss to stay out of trouble, and some poop, for Josh to start turning it around. As always, none of us thought Kimmy was going to answer that Keith might think that about Colleen, so that means it definitely would be the case. But I can see why that makes sense, and why Kimmy would have an interest in letting Keith think that. Again, this felt an honest and true conversation but...there is still the Hyun stuff. This chapter made me go back to thinking it's not going to be addressed. But I also think there's an opening here for Kimmy, if nothing has happened with Hyun in the last year, to explain it as another way she pulled herself back from the brink. Or maybe Kimmy is going to get 98% of the way to what she wants, only for Josh to ask about Hyun and for it all to be ruined. Doesn't feel like it though. And it was nice to see Colleen, Josh and Kimmy together like that. Bonded through fecal matter...or something like that.

Tracey52

I think they are making progress but it’s a rocky road. Letting Keith Stone think Colleen could be Devlin’s reeks of deception and risks that he’ll eventually expect Devlin to claim what’s his. On another note and from experience, if Josh managed to handle his first pooey diaper on his own and without instructions, he deserves the noble prize


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