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Devil In The Waters, Book 6, Chapter 1 (complete)

🕑 Added 2020-07-02 00:00:02 +0000 UTC

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Michael Monroe

I do like how this story is ..but I also do have sympathy for Josh....His wife is a monster in training...their is no redeeming qualities to her , Devilin and it seems Amy as well...Because birds of a feather flock together...I don't think Kimmy is Josh loving wife ....she is two faced and a liar...Josh is not a whiney wimp....when someone goes something like he has it is not easy to tell...do to Judgement of others....it also seems he was correct not to share with Kimmy as she side with his abuser. I love K T writing...the angst and emotions it makes you feel.....mark of a great writer!

CSH

This is the part that made me think of the HS issue: “Kimmy, again, it’s not bad. It’s not something bad. Not something I’ve done, just things that in the past I never wanted to talk about. I let them sit there in the dark, and you’re forging ahead, and I’m pretending like they don’t matter but they matter . . .”. To me this is the perfect opportunity for Josh to come clean about HS and Devlin.

RCH

Glaucon, I don't think it too late for a HS revelation it could be coming up in the next chapter. We may get it in Josh confession with Kimmy.

Chinookfan72

To be honest James the endings to these stories are the least of my concerns. As long as it makes sense I’m fine with however KT wants to wrap it up (just as long as we aren’t getting there any time soon.) What I meant by tragedy is reading a story with a fatally flawed protagonist. I personally don’t get any joy in reading about a dirt bag only to see the dirt bag get their due at the end. Especially in long form like this. To me that sounds masochistic to pain myself for multiple books just to get some catharsis in the end. I’d rather spend my time reading stories that provide pleasure along the way.

JamesIsAsleep

At the risk of sounding trite, certainly repeating myself but it's not really just about tragedies and happy endings for me. At the end of a story I dont want to necessarily feel hopeful or hopeless, I just want to feel. KT has talked about the boxer analogy, if she keeps hitting us in the same spot, (i.e. always writing a happy ending) we'll put our guards up and her blows won't hit home. Better to just go with the flow of whatever the story shes has for us and knock us the fuck out.

Chinookfan72

That intrigued me too, I would very much appreciate KT exploring this more throughly in the future.

Chinookfan72

Glauc, sorry for any confusion in reading my responses in this chain, but I’m not making any assumptions. Everything I am writing is from my personal preference. I freely admit there are people who like tragedies, but I am not one of them when the tragedy is combined with erotica. CHS, I am not trying to convince you I am right. My sole intention here was just to answer your original question and then provide some insight into why I think the way I do as well as answer your follow up questions. As for the POV, you are correct there is more than 1 pov, but just because you are a pov character does not automatically make you a protagonist. This isn’t to say you are wrong if consider Josh one, however that isn’t the way I interpret the story. Personally, I read Josh like I would read the cops POV in a bank heist movie.. I need the insight into what they are thinking, and what they know so I know how much trouble the protagonists are in. However, just because I have their pov doesn’t mean I am emotionally attached or supporting their cause so I would never consider them a protagonist.

CSH

I think it’s a real loss in terms of establishing tension and motivation for Josh. It’s definitely late but I’m not convinced it’s too late. Since they’re obviously about to discuss the fantasy of Kimmy with Devlin it seems appropriate for her to ask further why Josh obsesses over it. In fact, Josh laying this on Kimmy now would be perfectly in character as Josh is always a couple of steps behind when he should say something. She’s mentally committed to the affair so it wouldn’t stop her or alter her behavior, just make her feel really ‘bad’ for betraying him and that might just add to the thrill for her and for Devlin when he unapologetically confirms it’s true.

Glaucon

To me there’s an underlying assumption in some comments that seems to imply you can only enjoy stories where the protagonist "wins" – but people love tragedies! At the end of the day we all have our personally preferences, but my favourite cheating stories, at their core, are about eroticized betrayal. I love a story where the husband/BF is a good guy, and has justified animosity towards the other man, to me it just makes the betrayal more powerful!

Glaucon

Personally, I think the story could've greatly benefited from more HS backstory, but by now we're a little past the point where its inclusion feels right.

Glaucon

Personally, I think the story could've greatly benefited from more HS backstory, but by now we're a little past the point where its inclusion feels right.

Wess

Lively discussion. I like all these angles. But I still think back to that talk in the storage container when Kimmy admitted to the thrill she got from doing things with Devlin right under Josh's nose. Now that's the woman who intrigues me. Is it getting darker in here?

CSH

Yeah, I agree with this. The whole point originally was to try to understand the Josh character’s behavior by referencing his past. I like the fact that all three main character’s are multifaceted and that they change and develop over the course of the story. Kimmy is finding where she wants to be but Josh is still struggling. I also agree that Devlin’s character is slowly softening, at least from Kimmy’s POV. .

JamesIsAsleep

Basically, with a KT story, I find myself simultaneously being angry and cheering on both Josh and Kimmy's actions in this story. Aka, a job well done.

JamesIsAsleep

I've said this many times but I enjoy KT's characters being morally gray area, from the protagonists (wife and hubby) to the, I guess I was about to say antagonist but let's just say 'other characters.' None of them being beyond reproach, but also not being so obviously morally bankrupt that you dont care if bad things happen to them. As that concept relates to this story, I'd say that we achieve sympathy with Josh, as well as resentment. That's good to me. The female characters always have an inherent problem in KT's stories, because they will inevitably have to do something that society deems immoral, so KT's characters will always end up playing from behind. But once again KT has created a situation where sure wifey is being bad, but not so far afield that you cant respect her. Devlin is interesting because he started off, in my eyes, as easy to pin down. Pure evil. It could be Stockholm Syndrome but KT chipped off some of the edges of that opinion as the pages have gone on. The point is, KT's strength has always been making human characters getting caught up in a wild scenario. Beyond that I dont think theres anything else I could ask KT for as a writer, best to let her work her magic.

CSH

Unless I missed it, we have two POV characters in the story as written. And though I understand what the point of the story is for you, That’s not it for me. I think we are reading different stories. If it were the single faceted tale you mention there would be no reason for two points of view at all. Anyway, we are not going to agree or convince the other so, nuff said. It will probably please both of us in the end.

Chinookfan72

That’s a good point Tracey, I never considered a burn the bitch fan as I am personally not partial to those types of endings. You are also right that there are multiple different endings possible and I’m sure However KT decides to take the story it’ll be enjoyable (all preferences aside).

Tracey52

Liking the discussion. You could enjoy the story under the circumstances you describe Chinookfan 72 if the husband ultimately gets the upper hand or rewarded or gets justice. This could be burn the bitch ending, unlikely for kt. It could be everyone ends happy ie Kimmy becomes a hotwife and all is forgiven. Could be the Cherry Blossums finish. Kimmy loses Josh and realising what she has lost. Could be a Keely scenario. Josh finds his ideal girl and all happy but separated. I sure kt will find an even better ending. No pressure kt

Chinookfan72

I’m not sure I follow. I’m literally just saying KT should keep Josh as is instead of having to get additional back story to try and make him more likable. Josh isn’t really acting any differently in this chapter than he has in other parts of the previous books. He’s pulled everyone of these moves already, they are just condensed into a single chapter instead of spread over 5 books. The point of this story is to hear the tale of the wife who is cheating on and humiliating her husband. If I like her husband, then why am I okay with her cheating? Even worse, in order to make the husband more likable, I’ve got to read about how the guy the wife is cheating with is a horrible human being and has ruined the husband’s childhood/life. Personally for a story to be enjoyable I need to be able to support the protagonist and to me this story has a single protagonist, Kimmy. The narrative tension is all the second guessing, cover up etc. that Kimmy is doing and it’s more than sufficient to carry an erotic novel. Is it enough to carry a suspense novel, no.. but that isn’t why I’m here. It’s like Dexter, you can only support Dexter because he is killing horrible people, if he was doing those things to people you liked you would not support him or his actions. I’d imagine if you see a Josh the protagonist/co-protagonist then this would be unenjoyable for you. However, I really don’t see how anyone can enjoy a cheating wife story if they are reading it as the husband being a protagonist.

CSH

I’m cool on the HS thing and was asking to see what others thought. But I don’t think the story would be at all bearable if Josh was the cypher you seem to want here. If Josh is worthless and weak so to speak, really what’s the point? For me the story is only interesting because she loves him, he’s an intelligent nice likeable guy and yet she still cheats on him. Wife cheats on her asshole husband, or her weak vacillating husband no one likes, honestly, so what? Who cares? There’s no narrative tension in that at all. Anyway we have different views on what makes the story enjoyable. To each their own. I think we both are enjoying it in our own way.

Chinookfan72

yeah I agree with Tracey. I don’t want any more HS back story, i’d argue what we got was too much as is. Personally Josh being likable and sympathetic detracts from the story not adds to it. The erotic parts of this story is Kimmy cheating on her husband. If Devlin is a monster then by association so is Kimmy since she is choosing to fuck him repeatedly instead of being faithful to her good guy husband. This detracts from the erotica, in my opinion, because who cares about two horrible people having sex? Conversely, the majority of folks here voted for this story to be darker. Now, there are many ways to make the story darker, but for me, I voted that way because I wanted KT to turn up the depravity of Kimmy and Devlin’s sexual encounters (turn up the Josh ridicule, include Josh unknowingly in the sex acts etc.) and for a Kimmy and a Devlin to increase the humiliation of a Josh. By Josh being less sympathetic, this makes it easier for me to enjoy these storylines. If I liked Josh I wouldn’t want him to be mistreated. Furthermore, if Devlin is such a monster then why would Josh not tell his wife prior to the reunion about his prior issues with Devlin, knowing full well Devlin would be at the house party. (why associate with a monster if you have the ability not to?)Secondly, why, if Devlin is such a monster, why wouldn’t he object to Kimmy a job with him when he had the chance? If your wife is about to take a job with a horrible boss, you have a moral obligation to tell her what she is getting into. The fact he didn’t do either of these things suggests,to me, that even if you can explain away his reluctance to have altercations, Josh ultimately isn’t sympathetic since he’s had more than on3 chance to stop it.

CSH

Fair enough lol!

Tracey52

That would a downer. I want erotic fantasy not psychological counselling.

CSH

Josh is in danger of becoming a totally unsympathetic, whiny, bitchy loser. He is especially annoying here, even to himself, unable to express his thoughts and fears to his wife, too weak to confront his wife’s behavior, he conceives of his love for Kimmy as an excuse to have her walk all over him. Plagued with self-doubt, he blames himself for literally everything, and he’s a coward. In other words he’s a fairly realistic depiction of a lot of people, lol! I think what’s lacking in the story is connection of Josh’s behavior to the relentless bullying at school. Lots of this is a response mechanism. Especially the self blame. Maybe we could hear more about how they constantly teased him for having a small dick or how Devlin did some really awful thing to him directly. Suitable recounting by Josh to Kimmy of traumatic events in HS would allow the reader to sympathize and understand his behavior that is now seen as annoying. This trip is the right time. Josh wants to discuss Devlin and his fantasy. He can tell Kimmy more about why it is so awful to contemplate. Otherwise, it begins to reflect more poorly on him than on Devlin. If he’s going to tell Kimmy the truth, he should tell her the truth. Forcing Kimmy to confront the real truth about Josh being undeniably victimized in HS and then having her again rationalize continuing to victimize him would be a further step in her corruption and seems in character at this point. It would also bring home the enormity of Kimmy’s betrayal. Meanwhile, Josh has secretly fetishized being the victim. Perhaps Josh and Kimmy could agree that her humiliating him about his inadequacies compared to Devlin is some sort of twisted therapy for him. It’s not just to excite him, it’s to help him confront his past. I could see Kimmy going for that and it’s also a good justification for Josh to wallow in his pain. It would all be a fantasy, right? Should there be a further recounting of events in HS or not? Is it too early or too late? Not needed? What do others think?

JamesIsAsleep

Happy Independence Day to my fellow Michigander and American fam and Happy Canada Day to Chinook, Glaucon, and KT.

JamesIsAsleep

Excuses Devlin could make to end up crashing the trip ... Devlin is in a traveling Reggae band, "I totally forgot to tell you guys that on the weekends I travel to different islands in the Caribbean, also do you mind if I take the other bed? Trust me you won't even know I'm here, dont worry" Total comedy hackneyed plot where Devlin claims to have taken the wrong flight, "Shit, did that say Cayman Islands? I thought it said Calgary! Oh well, were you gonna finish that because I'm starving?" Maybe he plays a good samaritan, "Kimmy you left your thong in my apartment, oh wait you werent wearing anything *dad joke laughs at his own humor* that's funny ... wow look at that view, isnt it beautiful?"

Wess

OK, Josh isn't my favorite character. Hiding in the bathroom sounds like a real weasel move. But we don't know what Kimmy said. Did Josh confess his fantasies about Devlin and Kimmy? Did Kimmy respond with something like she could make that happen? Her willingness to take fantasy to reality might have crushed him. I kind of like that he is finally getting upset over what could be going on. Maybe the dude will step up. Show a little backbone. Or not. KT has so many moves it's impossible to know. I love that.

CSH

That would make sense, he tells her he thinks about it all the time and she offers to make his dreams come true. Then he hides in the bedroom.

Chinookfan72

LOL, that is pretty much what I was thinking.

DavidnDaria

Here's what we think: Josh is going to spill the whole shooting match. The bullying aside, he's going to tell Kimmy what happened that night with Devlin, but he's also going to say that it's what Devlin told him he said. Kimmy on the other hand, is likely to tell Josh he got his wish. Six books in and the tension is at its peak. Back to the hole. Y'all take care and for those of you in the States, have a safe and happy Independance Day. For those of you in Canada, we hope you all had a wonderful, safe time. For those of you elsewhere, enjoy your days! Live in the moment!

RCH

See, this is what I'm always saying about KT's pulling stuff out that we can't predict! Good, very interesting! Yes, Josh is acting like a little bitch. Perhaps the problem is during one of his numerous beatings his testicles got damaged? Not putting out the testosterone they should!

Tracey52

I think he tells her he fantasises about her having sex with Devlin and she says I know (and will).?

Chinookfan72

these are good questions and I have no idea. I also have no idea what Kimmy’s response could be that immediately makes him lock himself in the bedroom, nor how Josh’s headspace changed so much from the end of book 5 til now.. There was no indication whatsoever at work on Wednesday that his reluctance to go was anything other than to feed his kink.

CSH

So after reading this a second time, I’m not sure where this is going. Is he about to tell her about HS? Or just about his developing fetish of her with Devlin? Or both?

Chinookfan72

I’ve disliked Josh pretty much from the beginning, but god damn did Josh’s human hemroid setting get turned up to 11 in this chapter.. Fuck I can’t stand people that act like Josh. If I were Kimmy and the bitch boy went to sulk in the bathroom I would have just called Devlin and told him to get security to throw Josh off the property.. If he wants to be a bitch he can be a bitch somewhere else.

Glaucon

Just noticed "Fuck, you Devlin"

JamesIsAsleep

God this is like Game of Thrones all over again (back when it was good), where an episode would come and go and the thing you're anticipating is just alluded to constantly until the episode ends and you have to wait until next week. Love that by the way, afterall there was a reason why GOT was considered the best show in history before D&D fucked everything up in the last season. So Josh went with Kimmy but not before apparently dragging his feet with work and then, when he gets there, being a little bitch baby criticizing everything he sees because of his grudge. It will be interesting to see just what could have set Kimmy off so bad, considering whose semen she had to flush out just a few days prior.


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